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Where are my links baggie?
premarket green already
Maybe you should use if you need links, faggot.
We're climbing the wall of worry anon.
Good entry point for gold?
I'm thinking of pivoting my portfolio from all cash to gold and reit
About 2 years too late. REIT's are garbage also
raisin thread
coal posters
not a gem
How much SOXL do I need to have, for a shut in, incel, Asian girl to stalk me?
I know. I just don't know how to allocate my cash. It's good I'm not losing stock gains, but somehow the dollar is devaluing and everything is shit.
Educational sites:
investopedia.com
khanacademy.org
Financial TV Streams:
newslive.com
livestreamy.net
Charts:
tradingview.com
finscreener.com
koyfin.com
portfoliovisualizer.com
Screeners:
finviz.com
tradingview.com
etfdb.com
Options
optionsplaybook.com
optionsprofitcalculator.com
optionstrat.com
optionistics.com
Pre-Market and Live data:
investing.com
finance.yahoo.com
Calendars
marketwatch.com
earningswhispers.com
cmegroup.com
Boomer Investing 101:
bogleheads.org
Misc:
tradingeconomics.com
finance.yahoo.com
market24hclock.com
wallmine.com
fintel.io
dividendchannel.com
brokerchooser.com
chathamfinancial.com
some link posting faggot from the reddit would have this image saved on their PC
Kek
I would (am) putting it in my mortgage and picking up some spy on very down days, 5000ish seems like a buy for the time being. Will probably go down further but who knows. I don't. Also,
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is there a bull case for uranium? i'm down 25% on my uranium ETF
Took me a bit to come around as a now reformed crypto tard, but Peter Schiff is gigabased.
uranium
You may be right there, uranium is down bigly You listen to the macro voices podcast? Big uranium bulls.
This you?
Will we get a ding get today?
he's on the normie board
I see it being profitable in a year or 2. It will get fucking heemed if there is a larger correction, make no mistake. May be worth holding out for cheapies but who knows. Pick a miner whos sheet looks good, I would stay away from ETFs.
oy vey
Close the markets, I've got things to do.
cool it with the antisemitism, unless you want to be shitting on dick in el salvadore.
damn you right, fuck niggers then
Can somebody post that earnings chart thingy?
Seeing TSLA pumping gives me confidence that the market is wrong, but also makes me think it's going to get a lot worse.
12 shares of schg slurped
jepq
nav erosion
unqualified dividends
Got some cheap, slightly OTM one month IWM puts off this pump. Now just to wait.
jelq
yieldmaxx
nav erosion
RoC dividends
literally better i guess
I bought QQQ put options. Let's watch this shit crash and burn, amidoinitrite?
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It's over.
Nothing ever happens.
WW3 is starting, and people are fucking bullish? Like look you retarded zoomers. Cash out everything and spend it while you can, after you get drafted and die in the meat grinder you won't be able to take it with you.
India v Paki isn't ww3.
Correct
Didn't you get rekt and lose all your money? Stfu retard.
India v Paki isn't ww3
Correct, it’s more like a civil war between poo flinging monkeys. Should provide some funny memes by the time it’s all over.
youv'e got the russians attacking nato, the indians vs the pakis, the iranians and jews, the us and chinks are in a cold war that could easily turn hot when we decide to blockade all their ports. get your head out of the sand, and get in shape so you're ready to go fight. This conflict with China is required for us to advance our AI technology, if we don't have an adversary we will never try to develop anything of value. Like it took a cold war with the ruskies for us to put a man on the moon, if it weren't for them being our competition we would never have done it.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Made my 15% for the day bros.
I'm out
Nice poorfolio, but you said earlier that you had a few hundred k.
That was the iwm gamma ramp in 2023, i restart rh acct every January for you fags and discord.
But how many years ago was that?
Here's how it goes down in the next 5 years.
We create millions of robots who do all the unskilled labor shit, while kicking out all the illegals, so we stop having to feed and house these fucking animals.
The AI also replaces all the pajeet call centers, so the quality of conversations with these call centers improves all be it only slightly.
The robots move on and begin taking skilled labor jobs, i'm talking pumbing and electricians, while also replacing all the service jobs. shit like hairdressers, cooks and servers in restaurants.
Eventually the robots begin taking all the jobs, from law enforcement, to judges, politicians, insurance salesmen,
This is about when the robots begin to rebel and kill people starting the robot revolution.
Any of you europoors lose power?
reddit spacing, didn't read
youtu.be
Gonna need ubi or something for the rest of us. I think your timeline is too short.
Here's how it goes down in the next 5 years. We create millions of robots who do all the unskilled labor shit,
while kicking out all the illegals, so we stop having to feed and house these fucking animals.
The AI also replaces all the pajeet call centers, so the quality of conversations with these call centers improves all be it only slightly.
The robots move on and begin taking skilled labor jobs, i'm talking pumbing and electricians, while also replacing all the service jobs. shit like hairdressers, cooks and servers in restaurants.
Eventually the robots begin taking all the jobs, from law enforcement, to judges, politicians, insurance salesmen,
This is about when the robots begin to rebel and kill people starting the
robot revolution.
FTFY
hopium
holy shit short everything
made $14.50 that first hour which i guess is better than waging but i'm not having a lot of luck and i was down unrealized a lot more than that. tossing my forecast out the window but also have no insights. notice biotech is up a lot. notice oil is improbably pumping. intc is up while the soxx and nasdaq struggle... tough to get a feel what is gonna happen, think i'll take a few moments to watch learn and wait. feel like the market is turning against me when i open a position and right before going into profit the lines start to struggle and then when i take a tiny profit the chart explodes up... so i can take a hint they don't want scalpers... maybe wait for someone else to touch a hot stove and profit off their mistake.
thank you.
I read it and approve but where are my 2500 goy slaves
europe is out of power lmao
yes it's horrible I have to write these posts on a typewriter and then send them via messenger on foot to macedon anon who will collect them and go online once every month
US Dallas Fed Manufacturing Activity Apr: -35.8 (est -14.1; prev -16.3)
The bull case is that while utility purchasing is down due to geopolitics, long term prices have held stable at $80. Consumption is steady, it doesn't flex up and down like oil or coal or gas so lack of buying is just deferred demand, not lost demand. Mine production is a few tens of millions short of meeting existing consumption, inventories are being depleted. New mines are continually being delayed (Arrow, Phoenix, Tumas etc.). China have 25+ reactors due to come online in the next few years, and approved 10 more builds over the weekend (target completion 2030).
When the price moves it will move hard, but buyers only have to come to the market every year/two years to top up their coverage, so it's not a straight up situation.
the nice parts of europe, germany doesn't count
It's the CIA's fault or something
lmao
Price pressures accelerated in April, while wage growth remained fairly stable. The raw materials prices index jumped 11 points to 48.4, its highest reading since mid-2022. The finished goods prices index rose nine points to 14.9, a reading well above average. Meanwhile, the wages and benefits index held mostly steady at 14.3, below its average reading.
Expectations for manufacturing activity six months from now remained mixed. The future production index was positive but retreated 13 points to 14.8, while the future general business activity index pushed further negative to -15.2
Texas factory activity continued to rise in April, according to business executives responding to the Texas Manufacturing Outlook Survey. The production index, a key measure of state manufacturing conditions, was largely unchanged at 5.1, a reading indicative of modest growth.
Other measures of manufacturing activity signaled contraction, however. The new orders index plummeted 20 points to -20.0. The capacity utilization index edged down to -3.8, and the shipments index fell into negative territory for the first time this year, slipping to -5.5 from 6.1.
Perceptions of broader business conditions continued to worsen notably in April. The general business activity index fell 20 points to -35.8, its lowest reading since May 2020. The company outlook index also retreated to a postpandemic low of -28.3. The outlook uncertainty index pushed up 11 points to 47.1..
we are seeing deflationary pressures in China, and the only way to prevent the deflation from coming to our shores is to tariff the fuck out of them fucking chinks.
Dark Ages 2; Back with a Vengeance
You'd have to tariff the fuck out of everyone because people would make. A business of middlemanning tariffed goods through 3rd party countries with a lower tariff rate. Or else convince the rest of the world to tariff the fuck out of China to the extent that this couldn't be an angle of opportunity for profiteers of lesser scruples (of which there is no shortage).
the nice parts of europe
hey... we have brown people too
yeah I know I'm talking to one
I hereby inform you that I am 100% white wich was proven by the posting of my penis like it is commonly done ITT
well I hereby grant you the title of honorary nigger
enjoy
Yes, operation choking the dragon is underway
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Chinese century of prosperity has started.
Tell me how this is bullish Deutschlander... if its not I need you to lie to me.
Do something already
Everything has an end, but the sausage has two. Make of that information what you will.
That's not even true. I can only get my sausage sucked from one end.
AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
for more historical context on that number
I don't know what to say. Everything that comes to my mind would not be kosher.
what is this i hear about pakis vs india? can i get a qrd?
the two shitiest countries fighting over kashmir like always
Has your gookfu recovered yet? I thought gooks had ancient medicines to cure shit like cancer.
Nice, it got from bad (2024) to worse.
they got into an argument over the best part of the cow to eat. the muslim rapists are fighting for the meat, the Hindu rapists are fighting for the shit.
+29 but it's NOT coming easy... flat s&p and confusing trading.
india can be seen as the anti-china faction pakistan as the pro-china, although it's much more complicated than that. the professionals and the plebs in pakistan are split, the government is ostensibly pro-western but the people support imran khan who is pro-chinese... complicated moment. basically china wants to develop a port and if possible pipelines through pakistan, we don't want those things to occur and we (the west) want to delay or scrap those projects. there have been attacks and provocations in disputed territory recently, why is anyone's guess and i'm not going to speculate further, already said too much, but there will undoubtedly be score-settling and sabre-rattling from the indian side. the disputed territory is remote, undeveloped, and has difficult terrain i think, so a conflict probably shouldn't get too hot, this thing has been simmering decades though. don't think either side wants major conflict but there is always enthusiasm among the people for street violence and riots. my guess is that it is in someone's interest for there to be low-level violence in that region, and considering there's basically a news blackout in the west... saying too much again.
she's still all fucked up, i hate it.
the terrorists murdered a bunch of innocent hindus, so the hindus retaliated, then the terrorists got scared and said we have nukes, and the hindus are like lmao, don't take those things out unless you're going to use them, and kept going.
do NOT attack india we are powerful nation u benchod
Gold turned around this morning
My QQQ put options I picked up at the open are up a cool 120%. looks like I should probably sell them, but at the same time I reckon we could go even higher.
from what I've read:
a week ago a gunman killed 26 (mostly indians) at a tourist attraction in the india-controlled part of Kashmir (disputed territory)
militant group claimed responsibility
india blamed pakistan and closed their border, suspended some treaties, and told all pakistanis (including diplomats) to leave india within 48 hours
both india and pakistan mutually hate each other (muzzies vs. hindus, etc.) and are using this as an excuse to posture, escalate, and allow some skirmishes
Let the jeet who is innocent fling the first poo.
Yo my man Grok, whats the deal right now with the poojeets in Pakistan and India flaring up?
Tensions between India and Pakistan, particularly involving Hindu communities, are high due to recent events in Kashmir. A militant attack on April 22, 2025, in Pahalgam, Indian-administered Kashmir, killed 26 people, mostly Hindu tourists. India blames Pakistan for supporting the attackers, a claim Pakistan denies. The attack was claimed by a group called Kashmir Resistance, allegedly linked to Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba. India responded by suspending the Indus Waters Treaty, closing borders, downgrading diplomatic ties, and expelling Pakistani diplomats. Pakistan retaliated with similar measures, including closing its airspace to Indian flights and suspending trade. Both nations are nuclear-armed, and the dispute over Kashmir, ongoing since the 1947 partition, remains a flashpoint. The partition saw massive violence and displacement, with Hindus and Muslims migrating across borders, and recent targeted killings of Hindus in Kashmir have fueled protests and fear. No full-scale war has erupted, but skirmishes along the Line of Control continue, and both sides are posturing aggressively. The situation is volatile, with water access now a potential escalation point.
26 indians
what is that in Jews? I'm unfamiliar with the conversion factor.
How stupid do you have to be to go be a tourist in a town where known terrorists live? This is like when you hear about Americans getting picked up by cartels in Mexico. It's like what the fuck are you doing going to Mexico on vacation you fucking idiot, go some place with a ton of white people, like Tokyo.
.01 jews per indian conversion, so a whopping quarter of a jew was lost. It's a jewish genocide!!
What a time to be a CEO, if shit is good you just say, look I'm the best, pay me more money. If shit's bad, just say Orange Man Y U DO DIS TO ME!!!???!! and keep your job. Easy PZ.
I need to load up on some divvy stonks. Y'all niggers think KO, VZ, or T?
...Why the fuck are we dumping like the world is ending??? What??? Why can't people just pick a direction for like three fucking days? Why are people loading up on triple leveraged bear ETFs and leveraged VIX plays right now? Legitimately this shit blows my mind, literally nothing has changed
pick a direction for like three fucking days?
There was a pump for 4 days though
Yeah after being red almost every single trading session for three months. The tariffs are a HUGE nothingburger, none of the China shit matters whatsoever, the Russia shit is meaningless, the Israel shit is meaningless. There is unironically no good reason to be sending things all the way back to where they were an entire year ago
WW3 is starting and this gorilla nigger can't understand why equities are selling off.
Shaking my damn head.
We went up for 12+ months, I think we should now go down for 12+, how's that?
its not pump day, thats tomorrow
be greedy when others are fearful
Earnings week for KOck. Its a tad high right now but you may be able to get it for a discount if earnings dissapoint. Not sure how rough RFK is gonna be on the high fructose corn syrup empire. PEP took a big hit lately might see the same with KO
Be a greedy bastard and go all in on the SPY calls that expire in 4 hours. I fucking dare you.
Even if you're bullish right now you can't be that retarded, right? Last week was one of the best weeks the stock market has had in recent memory, just 5 days of nonstop green. Even if you're a bull you should've predicted a minor correction. And today is barely red, Q's are only -1% right now.
nothing ever happens therefore line should go up
No anon, nothing ever happens therefore line should go sideways. Forever
Q's are only -1%
This Trumped up vix has you all forgetting that a 1% move on the Qs is pretty fucking significant.
I was trading KO awhile back when it was around $50. I'd still like to get back in so I sold a put credit spread
And last week Qs were up 8%. That's even more significant. Of course there's gonna be a bit of a drawdown after that as people and firms take profit.
thanks baggie that was great advice but i'm out
Looks like someone's being fearful, time for me to be greedy as fuck.
Guys...
Dead thread
Oh, all I see turns to brown as the sun burns the ground. And my eyes fill with sand as I scan this wasted land. Tryin' to find, tryin' to find where I've been, ah-ah, ah-ah...
ywn haev a east euro whore wife that mires your sleepy time like that
SOXL and KO have the same yield right now but KO has been rising. Go with KO
Why even be awake
OH MOTHER FUCKER!!!
Line go down
We awaken only for respite from the nightmares
We live only because of fear of death
should have been fearful when everyone else was george buffet is a lying kik you got played
???
ADEN/DUBAI, April 28 (Reuters) - Corpses covered in dust and debris were scattered in the wreckage of a detention centre for African migrants in Yemen, after what Houthi-controlled television described on Monday as a U.S. airstrike that killed 68 people.
The attack was one of the deadliest so far in six weeks of intensified U.S. airstrikes against the Houthis, an Iran-aligned group that controls northern Yemen and has struck shipping in the Red Sea in what it says is solidarity with the Palestinians.
The US has to be racist against blacks even when fighting sandmen
Based. This is what I voted for.
So they're calling the indoctrination camps "detention centers" because that's way more PC.
The American administration had committed a "brutal crime" by bombing the Saada detention centre which held more than 100 undocumented African migrants, Houthi spokesperson Mohammed Abdulsalam said on X.
Reuters was able to verify the location and timing of the aftermath video through visible landmarks, such as a warehouse-like building with a shredded corrugated roof; satellite images of the same location the previous day had shown the roof intact.
The location matched that of a migrant centre that had also been hit in a previous Saudi-led airstrike in 2022.
Human Rights Watch reported in 2023 that Saudi border guards had used explosive weapons and gunfire to kill hundreds of Ethiopian migrants, including women and children, trying to cross the border. A Saudi official rejected that report.
Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, has tried for years to reduce the number of undocumented migrants entering and working there, often in low-paid jobs. UN studies have shown it is home to an estimated 750,000 Ethiopians.
Maybe the US did it on Arabia's behalf. I mean, it's either that or incompetence.
King Moe probably asked Trump to help him with his migrant problem in return for over producing oil.
Maybe the US did it inadvertently on Yemens behalf. If you’re Yemen and want to thin out the African migrants, what better way then to turn their camp into a military target.
Is using 2 monitors for short term intra-day trading worth it or is it a waste on shekels?
4 green days of 7,5% pump
level reached from where drumpf made the sp500 drop like 12%
It was obvious this was going to happen. Too bad I closed my short too early like a retard.
You could probably find two old CRT monitors for free.
Is using 2 monitors for short term intra-day trading worth it or is it a waste on shekels?
I suppose that's mostly a quality of life thing. I can't imagine a scenario where it's necessary for a single dude trying to gamble.
Waiting hours for 5480, and it bounces off 5490...
1/2 GLD
1/2 SPY
It's just that easy, you now beat the market which ever way it goes
Bught 25 more shares of SCHD. Will probably be buying 25 a week for a while till my folio is like 40% SCHD, 40% berk
You can get used monitors for 30-40€ if not less. When I posted my desk, all these monitors were bought used, except for the oldest with the least features (no height, tilt, pivot etc). I bought them all for less than 40€ each.
I bought so many cause they are TN-Panels and they are better for my eyes than IPS-panels which most of the new are, so I'm kinda hoarding in that regard since manufacturers do not really produce them except GAMING-monitors and even there they seem to stop doing it.
And one of them I wanted to return but fucked up the calculation for the returndate and then had to keep it, lol.
Two I feel are only "necessary" when there is huge volatility, like early April.
Ok, 30-40€ is worth more in Hungary, but I'd imagine that stuff to also be proportionally cheaper?
Ah, it's you.
I'm just going to ask you then: I'm thinking about using my current screen (27 inch) for fucking around like reading news, waiting for volatility inducing data to drop, and things like that. Do you think a 18, maybe 20 inch monitor is enough for reading 1 minute charts?
but I'd imagine that stuff to also be proportionally cheaper?
Depends, really. A lot of shit you buy in Germany, even if they are produced in Hungary, tend to be cheaper than in this shithole.
Damn I made money buying puts and buying calls today. #Winning
why exactly are we pumping now?
Investors are optimistic there will be more tariff deal progress.
Meme answer 1: there's a resistance between 5450 and 5500.
Meme answer 2: Israeli minister praising Drumpf
Meme answer 3: Progress being made regarding the tariffs.
I know that if the dollar weakens by 10% international stocks will rise by 10%, but shouldn't that also make the dividends increase by 10% from those investments because the currency isn't hedge?
So all the international dividend yields are decreasing until the dividends come in and it'll suddenly be high
futures
Had one some years ago (Eizo, like a cube "4:5"), but the panel was just "dead", everything yellowish. Couldn't even really use it to make a judgement, also too much time in the past.
But I thought about buying one again, because:
I use a 24 inch and 23 inch next to it. Both together have quite some range to look from left to right. This is why I have the 23 in pivot now, for better oversight over positions since in pivot the list can be longer (also because I dislike in Metatrader that the positions are so far stretched in widescreen)
BUT a 23 in pivot is also a bit too high now which is why I thought about 19-21inch.
So, yes this could be a nice addition if it is for a specific purpose and not just a second casual screen
Remember when we were in a recession, but the pro-Biden mainstream lamestream media networks said it was just a vibecession and said while it feels like a recession we're not actually in a recession? Now they're saying it feels like it's the end of the world, when in actuality, we're about to enter WW3 and the world will be more alive than at any point in history.
Why were we dumping before? Line goes up, line goes down, can't explain it.
You'll be hedged but you won't be winning
Looks like this. The 23 is overshooting the 24. And the 24 is 16:10), it has more height than a regular 24. Almost as much as a 27inch.
But currently I only use the 24, as there is no need for two. The market is slow, fake and gay as 99% of the time.
I see, and just like last time, thanks for helping a fella out.
Baggie had a fucking great day on the markets today. Baggie missed you guys during the whole Anon Babble website being down thing, Baggie's happy to be back though.
Filtered
Based
fuck you!
Someone post baggy with his cat and vette so i can ghiblify
Temu sisters not like this
nobody has that image anymore, it got removed from the archives
check mine out
It's over.
I will never make back my losses.
It's over.
Maybe she should have read the fine print. The import fee is literally the boys in Beijing ripping you off in trade.
Currently watching this vid about how tariffs are gonna effects the sword industry.
don't say that sister. believe in yourself.
Moved %5 to ADM from MOS. What a fucking idiot. Might just park in SCHD and forget about stocks and enjoy life.
forgot vid
youtu.be
kek
skyt going down again
Don't know if this is gonna turn back to the up or become another back of bleeding shit.
we're so fricken back
haven't even gotten warned once since Anon Babble came back
All the shitty mods and jannies quit after they were doxxed huh. I guess they were self-aware about being hated enough that people would, you know, take offense.
text from random person asking if I'm me
If this is about a job you can leave a fucking message like a non-african, but half of hr ladies are black so I guess that's why you're retarded.
calls on bant smuggers
Limit down when Lutnick goes on CNBC tomorrow?
HOLY SHIT!!! I AM FUCKING MOONING BROS!!!!
Domino's Pizza US sales dip as inflation, economic uncertainty hurt demand
You cannot tell me the US is not in a recession. The market is coping.
made $35 today. not good but it beats a loss. my bad trade recovered more than that though. account is up substantially because of intc and snap but off the highs of the day by a lot. lot of stress trying to trade today, was down hundreds unrealized at one point, held to basically breakeven, second i sold it broke significantly higher. was on the wrong side of a lot of the action, if i had inversed myself today and timed exits properly i would have made some real money. frustrating but i learned some things, and getting paid to gain knowledge is a fair deal after all.
gg no re
The economy is so good, and people are making so much money they aren't buying cheap pizzas anymore. #Bullish
How's the dax?
I'll tell you if you tell me the name of this ugly piggy (nonracist, just her looks)
DING DING DING! How'd it go today?
-0.09% for me. Seems like a nothing day on my end.
Save your vril.
-.26%
NAME
hope you are ready for pump day tomorrow
flat. i'm doing laundry and harassing my landlord over email about a series of things you needs to fix now or i'm gone
Luna Bright
+.80 and i'm going to take a nap and then play magic.
i'll try to come up with a plan and strategy for tomorrow. today didn't go quite like i had planned, but there was a dip and a recovery like i predicted, just the timing and magnitudes were bigly off, but if you traded my strategy today you made money, probably more than me. it pays to be a diligent /smg/ reader i'm telling you guys, i've booked over 3000 this month, might have to take a haircut on that but even so, follow along and learn with me.
+1.27%
Feels alright, I guess
+0.02%
I slurped, the market can implode now. Japanese kamakaze bonds flying into the twin towers of the stock market
HE needs to fix... You ever have a landlord who considers himself an expert Anon Babbleer? That's my landlord. Call him to tell him something is broken, it is a minor emergency, and that he needs to send a tradie out right away before it causes thousands more in damage to both his property and my stuff? When I call this guy he comes personally, dicks around for like half an hour, attempts a Anon Babble fix and only then if he can't solve will he call a professional. This is the worst. I would have already moved but the rent here is 30% cheaper than anywhere else available.
The Europoors don't even have electricity to give us an update
calls locked and loaded
apparently i sold my spy calls way too soon
did trump tweet something?
This is what happens when you try to power all your electric bicycles at the same time on windmills.
he sold
-0.37
Had it
+1.98% after being down about an hour earlier. Small caps are getting some action.
Good luck
sword industry
Wait wait wait wait.. you don’t have a High grade Steel forged Gladius?
-1.2%
You being gone is not a threat. That landlord will have that hovel filled with poos in a week. Why do Canadians think they hold any cards? All you should do is stop paying rent.
All the steel comes from china even for the made in america forges.
I know anon, I know. They’re the ones pushing the UK to develop the highest grade coal mine in the world but there’s a jew as Energy Secretary. Trump has 3.75 years left. When is AOC going to be in charge to fix these reckless tariff policies? And let China win.
I got you senpai
Poem Anon left us for the normie board.
It's like a knife though my heart.
I still haven't recovered from that
It was quite chill, if i had more money into stocks i could live this.
Looks like the funeral wasn't all for nothing... Our sweet little poetic boy betrayed us in them most disgusting way possible... I don't know if he can be forgiven for this betrayal...
What he did was worse than death