Christianity is obviously essential to the survival of the White race

Christianity is obviously essential to the survival of the White race.
I don't get the Holy Trinity thing though.
Could you explain it to me like I'm retarded?

the father the son and the holy ghost
I've never seen this one before

amazing

Water can be solid (ice), liquid, or gas (steam). It’s always water, just in three different forms. god has also appeared in different forms while still being god.

Romans had this idea of a trinity composed of Jupiter(Zeus), Mercury(Hermes) and Minerva(Athena) and re-packaged it in Christian form.

The Gospel of John is the best for the theological description, but I usually recommend Mark because it's the quickest read

dont be so concerned about understanding God, lean on faith because your own understanding will always be limited

youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

So the Father is YHWH, the same God of Abraham and all the OT stuff.
The Son is Yeshua, YHWH in human form.
What the fuck is the Holy Spirit?

trinitarian arguments are completely retarded.
dont bother getting into it

When God appeared to Abraham as a burning torch that hovered down the trail of sacrificed animals Abraham prepared, was that the Father or the Holy Ghost?

Christianity is obviously essential to the survival of the White race.

How, do whites need more niggers to survive?

John 14:15-31

this is the best description

No one has ever seen the father, no mortal can see Him. It is impossible for us to look into the spiritual world. Thus God the Father, having come down to this earth, became flesh, and became visible to man. When the old testament describes visions, they describe the GLORY of God, and not God Himself, for He is invisible.

explain like I'm a retard

just go read the Bible

I'm trying to get less confused about this tho

I can't wait for Christianity to finally fade away so that the real party can begin!

Christianity is obviously essential to the survival of the White race.

Then show how exactly Christianity fights jewish agenda and brown invasion?

I understand phases of matter. Is there a criteria that can be applied to easily categorize each instance of God doing something as either Father or Holy Ghost (the Son part is clear enough)?

it's 2 paragraphs bruv...

What about non-visions, like with Abraham? I thought the flying torch thing was real and not just a dream. Was the torch the Holy Spirit in action?

Bruv, there's individual sentences in the Bible that religious scholars can't agree on an interpretation of. I'm no scholar.
Just rereading it doesn't clear up my understanding.

People spend far too much time fretting over ancient sand people myths. It doesn't make sense because it's fiction, case closed.

have faith in your heart, say a prayer and ask God for guidance

I understand phases of matter

God is unique. One of a kind. Nothing even remotely close to him. Not "very unique"... but simply unique. There is no possible analogy that truly encompasses him and there never can or will be.

Is there a criteria that can be applied to easily categorize each instance of God doing something as either Father or Holy Ghost (the Son part is clear enough)?

God saying which person of the Godhead was present for a theophany is the only criteria

modalism

no, its not. i'am not saying they are not different persons, my example was just explaining that you can have different characteristics and attributes while still being part of one

No I am not.

Do Jews not think the Trinity is idolatrous for that reason?

Rabbi Yeshua was the incarnation of a cosmic jew and a spirit jew who raped a jewess to birth himself so he could die for himself to appease his anger at his own creation. Anger caused by two primordial jews eating the fruit of a tree the cosmic jew created for no particular reason whatsoever.

You see? It all makes perfect sense.

Why should you care about fake Jewish myths? It was ONLY for Hebrews.
The Curse was brought by the Mosaic Law (Romans 5), which is what Jesus saves from.

Hosea 3:2, Yahweh says to the Hebrews, "I only knew you, so I will punish you for your iniquities."
Psalm 147:19-20, Only Jacob's children received the Mosaic Law.
Deuteronomy 4:8, No other people besides the Hebrews received the Mosaic Law.

Jesus had 0 relevance to anyone who didn't need saving from their sin....and sin was only counted for those who have the Mosaic law.

The council or Nicaea, in fact, the entire Proto-Orthodoxy confused the fuck out of the trinity.
See, the trinity is not a christian concept, it is present in many other forms of religions such as Egypt (Osis, Isis, Horus), some Hindu branches (Sheeva, Brahma and Vishnu). The trinity in its most original form can mean two things:
-Chaos (Death)
-Creation (Resurrection)
-Preservation (Alchemical Rubedo or Magnum Opus)
Or
-Body (Son)
-Soul (Father)
-Spirit (Holly Spirit) (Atman) (Mother)

Jesus was a man of esoteric ideas, probably initiated by either the Essenes or the Therapeutae in Egypt (during his lost years).
What Jesus taught was the same as the concept of Atman, or "God within".
Some Gnostic groups (who grew up side by side with proto-orthodox ones) saw the Trinity as:
-Logos
-Sophia
-The All

It was never supposed to be a three headed god thing. I mean, Orthodoxy rejects emanations, yet the idea they created around their trinity concept is even more complicated and ridiculous.

Jesus wasn't even a real person, you dummies

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It's only modalism if he claims there's only one form at a time, which is called temporal modalism
There is also a rare idea called "non temporal modalism" which is a whacky idea that needs extra modifications to definitions before it's heresy because technically there's no such thing as simultaneous modes. You can't have a convertible car that has both modes of "open and closed roof" at the same time etc.

Why should you care about fake Jewish myths? It was ONLY for Hebrews.

That's just not true. The bible explicitly refutes that.

is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too

Romans 3:29

Its important to distinguish between personhood and essence. God in essence is one, in personhood he is three.

Its easy to fall into the trap of thinking the person's are modes or masks that God uses, but they are full persons.

Its ok if you don't fully grasp it most people don't and many that say they do end up spouting some heresy. Fundamentally we shouldn't really expect to fully understand God.

Id recommend you talk to an Orthodox priest and attend liturgy if you are interested.

He's only relevant for the Hebrews, because they are the ONLY people who received the Mosaic Law, the Law who curses from which people needed redemption by Jesus.

Everything that exists has 3 roots:
(i) an accomodative precondition that allows it to exist ("The Holy Spirit": Pneuma-Sophia)
(ii) an originative precondition that defines it ("The Father": Nous-Nomos)
(iii) an energetic precondition that makes it manifest ("The Son": Logos-Energeia)

In the Divine Source of all things -- the Godhead -- these three modes of involvement merge together into the ineffable Oneness of pure loving providence.

The trinity is like a 3 leaf clover

noooo you can't say that. John Pope asshole the 5th said that's a heresy!!!

The trinity is like a 3 leaf clover.

The trinity is Gnosticism.
gnosis.org/ecclesia/homily_Trinity.htm

They had to invent a verse to make it work. It's not Biblical at all. Most of the church traditions are like that.

By securing Israel and resettling niggers in white neighborhoods.

The Trinity is a Helenistic philosophical idea and pagan belief. Not a Biblical teaching. We know this because of the definitions used to describe it: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, and persons is all Greek metaphysical terms originating in Helenistic Philosophy going back to Plato and Aristotle. The word hypostatic union comes from hypostasis. It is a philosophical idea from Helenistic Greek Philosophy. The Trinity can only be supported with pagan doctrine. These terms and beliefs are not found in the Bible but in Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras. The Trinity can be traced back through old triad gods, Greek Philosophy, and Hindu avatarism.

The definitions of the Trinity itself: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, persons, hypostatic union are from Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras all taught these centuries before Jesus was born. Just trace "hypostatic union" on Wikipedia. It goes straight back to Plato, Aristotle and Neoplatonism.

Think about this: If I started using word like "Means of Labor," "bourgeoisie," "proletariat," "Base and superstructure" and called myself a Libertarian you'd all cry foul and accuse me of being a Marxist and Communist. Why? Because all my terminology used to describe "Libertarian" ideology is all Marxist in nature. You would all call me a fraud.

Why not with the Trinty? That's where the entire definition of the Trinity comes from. None of the terminologies, definitions, and understanding of the Trinity comes from the Bible. It all comes from Greek Philosophy, Stoicism, Hindus, and Pagans.

So, the way it was explained to me is this.
Christ, the Son, is also often called the Word (Logos, in Greek.) And the reason for this is, think about when you are talking. When you think of a word, you conjure an image of that thing in your head. When your mind is a fraction of God's infinite mind, and infinite power. When He thinks of a word, that thing is. It actually exists. It is not merely an ephemeral reflection of the thing the way a word is for you. So when he thinks of Himself, that thought or word exists as well. So the Son is the perfect, exact Word of the Father. Begotten by His perfect understanding of Himself.
Does that make sense, or did I lose you?

Indeed, he is the discernible form of the ineffable source of all things.

I don't know what the holy spirit is because I don't know what spirits are. Why not holy consciousness?

Well, the thing is the Godhead has a singular will and singular essence, so it probably wouldn't be strictly accurate to describe the third Person of the Trinity as Consciousness. But most references to the Trinity are metaphor anyway, because we are finite beings trying to understand the Infinite. And I don't think God would have a problem with you referring to Him however helps you best understand.

The Church refers to the third Person of the Trinity as the Holy Ghost because that is how Christ refers to Him in Scripture.

Spirit is the underlying first-person experiential viewpoint, but stripped of all sensible and intelligible content. It is the formless substrate of presence-awareness. It's the medium of divine providence.

That sounds heretical.
You know the (fake) concept of convergent evolution?
Maybe the pagan heathens, misguided and foolish as they were, got some inspiration from divine world God created, and stumbled upon some truthful concepts along the way. And as Christianity spread into Europe, rather than inventing new words, they used adequately similar words that were already in the lexicon.

I have a contention with the words spirit, soul, mind, and psyche, as I think they can be abolished in favor of consciousness.

His username says he's JW.
Of course he's a heretic. Like... off the walls, not even in the same ballpark as Christianity, heretic.

I follow what your'e saying, but where does the Holy Ghost come into play?

OK, cool. Glad you got that.
So then much as when Fod thinks of a word, it is, when He wills or acts it is as well. So the Holy Ghost is the Father's act of being in the same way that the Logos is His act of conceptualization.

And that is why, despite all three Persons working in perfect harmony with the same Will, the Son is most closely associated with creation (when God speaks something into existence i.e. "let there be light") and the Holy Ghost is most closely associated with God doing things (bestowal of spiritual gifts, inspiration of Scripture, etc.)
Does all that make sense?

I think they can be abolished in favor of consciousness

They can't, since they refer to different aspects of consciousness, viz. its source versus its content.

I think I'm starting to get it. Bear with me please.

If God is a Skyrim character, the Father is you, a conscious being with dev console enabled; the Son is like melee weapons that you can use to physically interact with the world to make manifest your will; and the Holy Spirit is like illusion spells to manipulate npcs.

Sorry for the retarded analogy. Is my simple brain following along, or am I way off?

No worries at all. That's why I'm answering in bits and pieces and making sure I'm making sense. I don't mean to be condescending. Just that these are really heavy concepts, a lot of which the most brilliant theologians of all time have grappled with.

So, I would avoid the weapon analogy for a few reasons. First, a weapon is a tool, just an object. All the persons of the Trinity are fully God. Not merely extensions of the Father but Persons with the Divine Will and Divine Essence in their own right. I think the illusion spell you used for the Holy Ghost is probably closer. In that the second and third Persons are extensions or reflections of the Father (in theological terms we say they proceed from the Father). They share all of His attributes like an illusion clone does, and they are irrevocably linked and the all act in tandem in eternal cooperation. I think that *may* be the closest a Skyrim analogy is going to get. The one big thing I would caution there is that whereas spells are creations of the caster, neither the Son nor the Ghost is a created being. Each is fully God. Eternal and uncreated. So maybe if you had a mod on where you had two permanent illusion clone spells cast at all times. That may be the closest to really conceptualizing it.

It's not human.
Salvation is not an option for its kind.
They have always been destined for the lake of fire.
First, they must help Satan with the Great Deception.
As you can see, they are quite skilled, but they lack the fear of God.
Some may be humans who have been used for parts, but not this one.
It is an abomination to the core.

I think I'm finally starting to get it. Thank you for your patience. God saw fit to bless me with such a brain that understanding his teachings would be a great challenge.

With each aspect not being mere extensions, but also the embodiment and essence of the whole as well, would it be fair to say that it's like the alien in Life (2017)? Where every cell is functions as neuron, muscle, and sensor, making the entire being all brain, all muscle, and all eye, even though it appears to have distinct noodley appendages for performing separate tasks?

like I'm retarded?

I have bad news for you.

So, full disclosure, I do kind of see what that other anon was saying now, and you do kind of come across as if you're mocking. But, I like talking about this stuff, and I'm not embarrassed by my faith, so I'm happy to keep going.

Unfortunately, I'm familiar with that movie, so I can't really go too in depth about how accurate it is. But based on the description you gave, I would say it is probably not the best analogy. The problem with any analogy that conceives of any of the Persons of the Godhead as pieces or parts of a whole denies that they are in and of themselves wholly God. If God is composed of parts then He is not omnipresent, if that makes sense. Each Person of the Trinity is wholly God with all of His attributes. Does that make sense?

Yeah, I kind of see where you're coming from after reading some of his previous posts.
But he's being cordial enough and not flinging insults. And like I said, I like talking about theology and there's always the chance someone else will stumble along and learn something. Either way, I hope he's being genuine.

Christianity is what has killed the white races. Its a permanent open wound the Jews can reinfect over and over.

Analogies aren't perfect, I don't mean to suggest god is physical with distinct cells, only that each "part" or manifestation embodies the entire essence of the being, with all the properties of the whole, not unlike the Life 2017 being.

The simple answer is that Jesus is exactly who he said he was, the son of God.
The Father is God, Jesus is the Son, and the spirit is The fathers spirit.
Jesus is a completely divine being, but he isn't the Father, isn't God and doesn't claim to be.
Jesus even says that the Father is greater than him.

Inb4 morman

The 1st council of Nicea was called to order by a Roman emperor who worshipped the Sun or Sol Invictus
Here's how Nicea adopted the Trinity as a core tenet of faith despite Christ not saying it was what a man must believe to be saved.

Pagan Roman emperor calls church leaders together

Arius disagrees with the Trinity

Disagreements go on for a while, and no resolution is found

Original Santa Claus walks up and hits arius for "speaking heresy"

The majority of the leaders excommunicate Arius and his followers

Constantine exiles Arius from Rome and them along with anyone else who denies the Trinity aren't allowed in Rome.

Catholics solved the problem of disagreements by silencing opposing views

This was pretty much the first time this has happened within the church. The state of Rome could strongarm anyone they wanted to if they didn't agree with the new Pharisees.
Get a strongs concordance and look at how Jesus and God refer to themselves and each other. They are 3 separate divine beings. They aren't co equal, the Bible says so.
They need the Trinity to be real so they can continue worshipping Nimrod, his wife, and his son(who is also Nimrod/the father)

Christianity is gay as hell, rabbi Yeshua is a faggot and you're a jew hiding behind a Brazil flag. Christcuckry is the cause of LGBTQ+ gay ass marriage. Christcucks are why women feel entitled to betabuxx simps. Christcucks defended Israel and donated to Israel every step of the way for thousands of years.

Yeah, completely get where you're coming from. Again, I haven't seen it, so I can't really say how close or far off the mark it is. But if it works to help your understanding, it sounds like it's not that bad of an analogy, with the caveat I gave you in my last response.

I've been sincere and respectful and have asked honest questions and given gratitude and thoughtful responses to all the serious replies.

We're on Anon Babble. That guy is being very defensive and acting above having a zoomer coded discussion in 2025.

Analogies aren't perfect

Because any analogy is a relation to a real life situation or state.
The reason it doesn't work for the Trinity is because anything that exists on the earth is considered anathema or a type of heresy.
The only real answer to explain the Trinity without saying something heretical is

It's a divine mystery

It's a miracle

God isn't a God of confusion, he isn't a God of Chaos.
God IS a God of understanding and wisdom, he IS a God of Order.
Why would his existence be a an unsolved mystery, or conundrum that his creation cannot understand?
The Trinity goes against God's very nature.
You're not a brainlet if you don't understand the Trinity, nobody does, which is why nobody can ever explain it.

It's a really good movie, best Sci-fi in a long time. Easily a contender for top 10 imo. Would recommend.

Well put.
I had to rely on silly fictional analogies, cause nothing else comes close to sufficing.

The physical, observable universe is full of enough mysteries that our limited capabilities of observation and reason can't comprehend.

It's perfectly reasonable to say the unobservable and nigh-incomprehensible can't be expected to be understood.

The way people talk about the Trinity, I thought it was some straightforward, fully worked out concept, and my knuckle brain just wasn't getting it.

we back?

I don't believe that the earth is filled with mysteries we can't comprehend, simply that what we believe to be true is a fabrication.
The Bible describes earth as fixed and immovable, but science tells us were spinning and hurling through space around the SUN.
The Bible tells us that the Sun is a great light, and the moon is a lesser light, science tells us the sun is a light, and the moon is a reflection.
The Bible tells us that we have a firmament, but science says that we go to the moon.
This world God created is much easier to understand when you believe what he tells you about the world he created.

It's perfectly reasonable to say the unobservable and nigh-incomprehensible can't be expected to be understood.

So basically the Roman church made a theory, told you they can't explain it, but it's not meant to be understood because you're too much of a Pea brain to get it because "you're not God".
And that theory they invented isn't found anywhere in the Bible, and the original texts don't even support.
It doesn't add up.

Brother, we're on the same page. We try to apply our limited reason and observation that we get from things within the firmament, like ballistic trajectories of man made objects, to celestial lights in the firmament.

Epicycles were good enough for me. They reconcile what I can see with my own eyes, and my faith in the Bible.

Science says to abandon God and trust their heliocentric "gravity" based hogwash. I'm not buying it.

Me not being able to explain how epicycles work doesn't mean it doesn't work (it obviously does), and it certainly doesn't mean I'm going to give up my faith.