Pagan or Christian?

Poorly written fiction as well.
The movies were great though, at least the first two.

he was an ubermanlet

tolkien was a faggot britcuck hack who couldnt cope with the fact that REAL mythology was racist. the entire franchise is a dumb medley of theft. a legendary sword, a cursed ring, a dragon guarding a treasure, an evil all seeing eye, there isnt a single original thing about it - apart from the dogshit multi racial modern rpg party tier "fellowship". and now in the current time mutts with 1% blood memory will offload their inate impulses into this asinine piece of shit instead of reading actual mythology.

Orthodox Christian (baptized&chrismated not just an online "orthobro")

tolkien was a faggot britcuck hack who couldnt cope with the fact that REAL mythology was racist.

100% of the orcs in LOTR are evil and ugly

low-IQ take

what else were you expecting on here

Look I’m just saying, blud put the Star of Ishtar all over the gate to Moria, where after passing through the Chamber of Mazarbul (“mazar” means shrine or mausoleum, so call it Bull-Grave or Bull-Shrine), one of the “Istari” fights an ancient fiery spirit who “has a man-shape, maybe, but greater” (that is still small enough to get inside the Bull-Shrine no problem) and who pulls him down into a deep black chasm where there is water as well as her fire, and then he comes back transmuted into a more powerful form
I’d start thinking weird things if this wasn’t Gandalf, who always tells the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth when it comes to his delays. You’d start interpreting him saying he is “already spent” or crying out Gash! once he realizes who he’s dealing in pretty odd ways. Can’t be the case though, it’d be too rash and bold for a tradcath to have it so just being a woman lets you MacBeth a big ol meanie of a king who failed to stand up to evil or anything

both. the overrarching narrative and morality is christian, but the substance and mythology of it is all based on paganism

two brothers kill each other over a mystical golden ring

straight from the Nibelung cycle

boromir being shot full of arrows against a tree so he can save the hobbits from the orcs

straight from imagery of saint Sebastien

ultimately i think this pagan vs christian war, especially over things like LOTR, is rather silly. tolkien clearly meant to create something new, from the foundations of what created the west, and both paganism and christianity had large parts to play in that, thus naturally his middle earth bears shades of both

religions are just cults that got normalized

This, plagiarising mithraism and adding jewish elements is just fake and gay consolidated pagan cultism.

eh, when you're right you're right

Its Germans depicted as Orcs in his books

Tolkien was literally a high IQ, devout Catholic

But the vernacular of orcs in his books is distinctly low class British .

in the books the orcs are exclusively black, yellow, brown and red. its also highly implied that blacks, asians and natives are the evolved offspring of the orcs that fled mordor after saurons falls. the entire reason that orcs are green in modern fantasy is because DND artists didnt wanna look racist, then warhammer and warcraft followed suite and set the standard for green orcs. but OG orcs are quite literally niggers, or perhaps even, the niggests

Faggotry.

Note also that Jadis of Charn wears the same symbol, and that Aslan doesn’t sing Narnia into being before she arrives in the vast, all-engulfing void it comes out of

Americans don't have any mythology or folklore as they aren't a real nation.

went to a PCA (conservative Presbyterian) church plant and all the men were OBSESSED with LoTR

So no, it's not true Christianity. They also thought Toy Story 4 was a Christian film as well

We have plenty of folk heroes

Don't you have a Facebook post to be arrested for?

they're the twisted forms of former people who were industrialized and given up their humanity and connection with nature.

Tolkien: Why not both?

They have nothing to do with niggers. Orcs are what you would call Chavs today. Misbegotten perversions of a once noble people into a kind of barely articulate troglodyte or pseudo-human racial vermin. References to niggers in Tolkien are limited to some brief mentions of a people who live in a far away land where the stars are strange, they don't even factor into any of the real mythology. (Just like real life). The closest people you get to niggers in Tolkien that actually make an appearance in LOTR are a subclass of the Haradrim.

bro texas walker ranger?

It's only the truth.

This orcs are basically bugmen only slightly better at violence.

This.
If your country has straight lines on the map, it's not a real country.

texas walker ranger

unequivocally based

The Two Towers represent Jachin and Boaz, which were the names of the two bronze pillars that stood at the entrance of Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem.

Christianity and our pagan traditions are both integral parts of European culture. Whoever asks you to choose between them desires to erase your heritage.

germans arent flat nosed, sallow-faced, swarthy, short and yellow eyed. that sounds like niggers to me

Yea and it’s where the evil is

You're a real dingus.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folklore_of_the_United_States

Sounds like Germans except for the yellow eyes

We have plenty of folk heroes

of course you do
many are still alive today, like Rocky Balboa, Hulk Hogan, and Spiderman

Tolkien wouldn't have been worried about niggers like Americans. Orcs more likely represented the Ottomans. Look at Arabic and compare it to the lettering of black speech used in Mordor.

My question still stands, thirdie.

Nearly all of our culture came from england, that's probably why we're so fucked up. not like there's anything better

there's paul bunyan and johnny appleseed

Poo-land

Trying to talk shit

Kek. Clean the toilet faster, you cross-bred Russian kike.

ah yes. germans are famously swarthy, sallow and slat nosed.

no one in the thread mentioned yet that dwarves are jews

yes, their language is based on hebrew. yes, they are diaspora, separate from other 'free peoples', with secret language and secret names. yes they are short bearded and greedy.

KNEEL

shut up nigger

don't forget billy the kid

paul bunyan

thats ours

no the hell it ain't

European.

black speech doesnt have a lettering system, it used elvish script whenever they wrote things down

It is definitely Christian. Tolkein thought C.S. Lewis was too blatant and heavy handed with the Christian symbolism in the Narnia books, but there are many very obviously Christian themes in Tolkein's works.
Christ is represented in three parts in Frodo, Gandalf, and Aragorn
Frodo's journey carrying the burden of the ring is Christ's journey to the crucifiction carrying the burden of the cross.
Gandalf dies in Moria and is reborn, transfigured into Gandalf the White.
Aragorn is Christ the King. He takes the Path of the Dead before reappearing in Gondor.
That's just one example, LOTR is full of Christian symbols and themes.

its a very obviously french-canadian name

The stuff on the base of the White Tower (Minas Morgul?) looks stunningly like a kabbalistic Tree of Life as well (though missing a sefirot on each side column, right where it meets the ground?)

haha you responded, angry mutt
now go sing the ballad of Captain America lol

ah yes. germans are famously swarthy, sallow and slat nosed.

If anything Tolkien is just a massive example of the cultural destruction the abrahamic did over time in europe.
Erase the past and the people lore and replace with garbage desert imbecility.
Amazing.

WHEN CAPTAIN AMERICA THROWS HIS MIGHTY SHIEEEEEEEEEELD
ALL THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO OPPOSE HIS SHIELD MUST YIEEEEEEEEEEEEELD
IF HE’S LED TO A FIGHT AND A DUEL IS DUE
THEN THE RED AND THE WHITE AND THE BLUE WILL SHINE THROUGH
WHEN CAPTAIN AMERICA THROWS HIS MIGHTY SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELD

WHO CARES WHEN THERES NO NIGGERS

but his legend developed in america

ugly as those krauts are, they are neither swarthy nor slant nosed, neither are they sallow

Go back to Xitter

after originating in canada, sure

Zoroastrian, as westerners call it but it's actually called Mazdaism.

In Mazdaism, Ahuramazda has two children that are the spawn of his thought. One is Ormazd who is of light and righteousness, one is Ahriman who is of darkness and responsible for the evils in this world, creates evil creatures, etc. In Tolkien lore Eru has 14 children who are the spawn of his thought, 13 are good and 1 is evil but as powerful as the rest of them combined, so still a 50/50 balance. He breaks up the rest of the gods to show their nature better, which is what European religions attempt to do as well. But Tolkien describes it better with Manwe literally being the sky, Ulmo literally being the ocean and rain, Aule being all the dirt and metals, etc. European gods almost seem to be written that way after the fact, or perhaps reformed that way. Even Mazdaism was reformed by Zarathustra/Zoroaster to better reflect an idea. I think Iluvatarism (Tolkien's religion described in the Silmarilion) best reflects an idea of how this universe was created and operates, it combines several aspects of old Aryan religions in a great way that teaches us many lessons. It certainly isn't kikestian, Gandalf is a Mithras character not a Jesus character. Jesus was ripped off from Mithras.

who gives a shit

go back to plebbit

I still wanna know what tf is up with Ungoliant

WHY YOU LITTLE

ok, you got a point here

Christians & Dragons

Both.

My ancestry is a continuum that spans many paradigms.
But only ever one place.

Middle Earth is a distillation of many things, Christian and pre-Christian.
It cannot be wholly reduced to either, because neither can Britain.

He made the sign of the cross of God,
He knew the Roman prayer,
But he had unreason in his heart
Because of the gods that were.

Even they that walked on the high cliffs,
High as the clouds were then,
Gods of unbearable beauty,
That broke the hearts of men.

- excerpt from The Ballad of The White Horse, by G.K. Chesterton.

spider pussy

and the KKK

No lie, I showed my autistic friend a closeup of spider pussy when I was fifteen, and he was like "The fuck is that"? and I told him, and he blocked me for a week.

It just looked like a ripply chitinous aperture desu.

Butch and Sundance, Davey Crockett, Wild Bill Hickok.

A previous thought experiment of Eru, same as Tulkas. They came from the void indicating there is more out there than Arda, evident by all the stars. Eru is either bored or there's a reason he creates all these worlds.

But related to Iluvatar how? Is she the Ahriman here, or one of 12 Ahrimanish balances to the other Valar (whom she maybe ate)? Is she some sort of residue of creation? Did Iluvatar fuck her like a Balrog?

lewis and clark

Based take

Catholic

Wait Tulkas wasn’t a regular singer? I know he came the last into Arda, but I thought he was the same kind of thing as Manwë and Yavanna and Melkor and such. Been a while since I read read Silmarillion though

Christianity IS Pagan. Roman Pagan influence in the Levant is what lead to Christianity coming out from the Hebrews as they turned away from their savage Babylonian ways.
That's exactly why Christianity meshed with Rome so well and why it took off across the continent. It has always been European Pagan influenced. You think the Pharisees faggots can come up with ideas about God having a son that sacrifices himself for the greater good?

Nah, Ungoliant represents the hungering void; the yawning all-consuming nothingness between the stars, that's why it and it's progeny eat and eat, but are never satisfied.

Stars are not necessarily distant suns in a mythopoeic cogmology either, I believe they are more likely to be entities; Varda set them in the heavens before the sun rose, to watch over the firstborn of the Elves, as they awoke in The East.

It was that sunless starlit world in which they first awoke that Eöl tthe ill-fated smith longed for, and ever shunned the light of the sun.

you're right, tulkas was a singer. he's just a strong retard

a based retard?

If there's one thing chinks have more advancements with the whole Dao (tao) notion, and the Myriad of Daos, usually describe as 3000 Great Dao's, in their fantasy stories mortal people can cultivate spirituality towards immortality or (a lot of times you need to become immortal before climbing towards the next lvl) divinity via the Daos, so one may cultivate the Heavens, the Sky Dao, and another the Earth or Underworld Dao, and even those divided into many other Daos or minor ones.
Is call daoism, is actually somewhat different from taoism.
Of course in their own myths they also have divine being representing those things, similar to the old pantheons of europe.
I'm talking about current literature base on those myths.
And in a lot of these Novels like picrel their verse "creator" is related with the original one, in Desolate Era the story writers took the literal original pantheon of the chinese myths, including the creator that use a Axe to cleave the primordial chaos and create the universe, name of the God is call Pangu.
I also seeing Pangu in many other titles too, but usually is just him and not the rest of the pantheon. I think at some point the MC even meet Pangu by becoming a God himself after a cultivation journey.
Is a top tier Novel, totally recommended. Is so far remove from western stories other stories from around the world, but sure, they are chink so they will have their inherited habits (talking in general on authors of this literature genre and not picrel, picrel is a good one).

savage Babylonian ways

Babylon being le wretched hive of scum and villainy is one of the oldest operational spooks in the world. You can take my codified law and Epic of Gilgamesh only if you buy my whorish ass, and I ain’t cheap

Tolkien was a devout Catholic and included Catholic symbolism and themes in his writings, while using pagan folk myths as pure aesthetics.
What is the need to make a thread out of this? It's obvious.

What is the need to make a thread out of this

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

The Russian’s scared of English syncretism

everyone is, because it contains soul
its no need to discuss this anymore
what you can do is to protect the meaning.

The Christianity of Tolkie, Catholicism, is Paganism.

The Secret Fire…

Babylon had some horrible tribes. Gilgamesh was not part of that. Those tribes were driven out of Babylon. Sound familiar?

The best part of the American revolution, the removal of the Royalists?

What book nigga

AYO

Christianity is itself a syncretic cult that ripped off greek philosophy. Its a cult. Its a shitty cult of mind control and martyrdom that millions of imbeciles died and tortured each other over. Our ancestors were fools.

but greeks wuz paganz

The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hal

Christianity is a lie. Jesus Christ said he'd come back and bring 1000 years of peace.

Jesus Christ never did this. Thus Christ was a false prophet.

Thank you saar

Peace is a lie. There is only passion

both

It doesn’t matter

East Rome and Goth's final hurrah and destroying the Tower of Babel.

Pretty fucking Kino Christian movie. Bombadil can take a hike.

Christianity but I won't raise my hand against a white pagan.
if we can't agree on what god,we can agree with blood and soil.

Not wrong at all, Dionysus, Osiris and many other pagan myths and themes christcucks stole, the pure revelation is laughable if you have read anything from that time, christcuck symbolism in paganism is older than anything christcucks and kikes, even your church fathers said how similar pagan stuff is, but they coped by calling it demon imitation before the rabbi Yeshua came, you stupid low IQ subhuman.

The writer literally said it is a Catholic work of literature so yes it is Christian.

inb4 Catholics aren't Christian

they were before Vatican 2

Pagan. Is the name Jesus Christ mentioned a single time in the whole thing? No. So pagan to the bone. Tolkien was a closet satanic homossexual man. Satanic people always try to hide under the disguise of good christians or good catholics or whatever. It's all smoke and mirros. They like to get down with the serpent and ride on it.

Name a "well written" book then nigger

Heckin' grow up, chud! Slave away for mr shekelstein like a real man!

No.

This, the books are TNDist. Orcs represent niggers.

Well I guess this is just common knowledge then
I thought it was interesting

mostly pagan, but it does have a christ-like figure with gandalf and fallen angel-like with sauron.

Aesthetically: pagan.
Irrelevant if you read between the lines cope: actually christcuck.

Pagan lore conveyed by a christian, but the pagan lore was already conveyed by a christian. Tolkien actually did a better job at making an authentic pagan religion than Snorris shit job with the obvious christian elements of Baldur and Ragnarok

MUH SYNCRETISM!!!

Shut up nigger

Star Wars: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Thanks for the Whitepill

The series aggrandizes monarchy, which is almost inherently Christian.

Christianity is pretty pagan in the sense that it has Zeus impregnating a married Jewish woman who then births his son who lo and beholds must battle demons/monsters and can do miraculous things and must go into Hades (the Underworld) and return to Earth. Sounds like Hercules? But instead of asking a God or Goddess for fertility or healing, you ask one of the male or female Saints, a dead person's soul up in Heaven living eternally with God. Thats not to say Christianity and Paganism are the same, but its clear that there was a Classical Greek influenced figure in Christ who rebelled against Jewish norms of the time in Roman Judea. Its not surprising given that how Greek influenced the Jews became before and during the Maccabean Revolt, to the extent that circumsized Jewish youth would put on "the Jewish burden" to recreate their foreskins so they can blend in at Roman bathhouses. Ultimately, God's son was murdered by the Jews for supposedly blaspheming against Jewish beliefs by declaring himself "the way to God" and calling God in Heaven "father" which is something Greeks do, not Jews

The series aggrandizes monarchy

No it doesn't retard.

One monarch is a feeble old loser who listened to the knew too long

The other monarchy is abandoned by its' own people who became obsessed with worshipping death and have to have a lunatic steward who dabbles in forbidden magic lead them.

Try reading the actual books nigger.

Aragorn wins the battle at Minas Tirith because he takes up the rightful mantle of King of Men and commanded the dead army of Dunharrow into battle.

christian morals, pagan themes

You can acknowledge the significance of Christianity and its impact on europe, but that doesn’t mean you need to cling on it.

Just because you have had a tumor for years and gotten use to it doesn’t mean you still shouldn’t get rid of it.

Aragorn wins the battle because Eowyn, who loved him and whom he had forbidden participation, slays the Witch King. He wins because the Eorlingas free themselves from the influence of the eternal jew. He wins because the elves have just enough reasons to stick around and help him. he wins because he has a noble spirit. He wins because the embodiment of nature (Ents, Huorns and Pukel men) allow his allies the time and strategic reprieve to array for battle.

The army of the dead is just a cleanup force.

This is delusional. There is absolutely zero chance they would have won without the army of the dead.

monarchy, which is almost inherently Christian.

I guess all non euro monarchies don't count?

Who gives a shit faggots. One of the best books/movies to ever exist.

Paganism came first!!!

Fuck off hindu, kys. The first religion was Christianity.

man you're on Anon Babble just assume he's a retard and move on

based

its pagan

lol
tolkien just ran his finger over the edda and nicked the names, that's it
he got 90% of them from the same few stanzas. all the hobbits + gandalf

Yeah at the end of the day it's completely believable that he just wanted to make a book with his education. There is nothing to suggest anything occult.

Decidedly non-denominational despite being created by a devout Catholic

other Catholics could learn a thing or two from Tolkien's approach to his own spirituality and how to express it to others

Really? I'd love to read something exceptional then. Any suggestions?

There is no Salvation outside of Christ
No other religion promises automatic forgiveness on sins for faith and regret alone
All others that bother with morality require you to perform actions and you can die in accident before that and get fucked. Or be in a point of no return and have no incitive to stop being evil

Osiris

Royal sister fucker who got killed during a fight for a throne but got resurrected to get the throne
Jesus was not killed, He gave up His life for us after lowering Himself to our level
Only a low IQ person would consider it the same because of sharing one element (resurrection)

Sith lore is based. Darth Nihilus is my favorite, cause I’m kinda like him

bro I'm 100% sure he was talking about the movie these little faggots dont read books anymore

fellowship was the best movie by far
anybody else think so?

The parts that everyone cares about aka heroism, adventure, nature, european mythos and the combined aesthetic they bring: Pagan.

The parts that nobody cares about aka monarchy, caste system, european mythos conveniently fading away after it has served its purpose and inexplicably turning low caste sam into a super badass: christian

When Tulkas gets angry you better stand out of the way. My nigga Tulkas saves the day.

Based on Pagan stories, badly meshed into Christianity.

there are many gods but they're all part of one god even the evil god because god is good and god is all things so even orcs are god and this was planned out it's just god having fun despite the misery

No other religion promises automatic forgiveness on sins for faith and regret alone

Isnt that a theological and moral problem?

Northern Scotland Christianity

I can't think of a single original thing in his books, even iconic names like gandalf are lifted from other works, not surprising as he was a weak faggot that taped out of WW1 after his second 5 day stint at the front

Also the culture of "cleaningness" in lunguistics, mannerism, clothing, architecture etc on the side of the heroes is pagan.

So in other words the "clean and pure" elvish accent is pagan while the "dirty and impure" orc cocney accent is christian. Tolkien likely didnt know this but thats the reality of things.

Yes. Just yes. And wholey european.

Stop buying into a shitty D&C psyop conceived by /leftypol/ a decade ago. Do you see all the hate directed towards LoTR in this thread? In all the years you've been here have you ever seen a single ounce of that until recently when in was labeled a white supremacist dog whistle bybthe leftist media? Learn to start noticing again anons.

lol i recognise them all from childhood except the pirate guy, who i discovered is Captain Crook, i guess they never used him down here maybe because its similar to Captain Cook who is kind of like our Columbus but the abos all complain about him incessantly like he was responsible for colonisation and now places like pubs etc named after him are being renamed and nobody wants to mention him anymore.. i fucking hate living in current year.

adam and eve

all genetic, archeological, and linguistic evidence proves there was no adam and eve

Christianity demands you repent of sins, its not different from other cults

It also implies everyone else goes to Hell merely for not being born Christian

Catholics believe all non catholics go to hell

My opinion is that LOTR seems so good because you are left starved in culture and lifestyle, if you are not starved or if you have enough IQ to know how it would feel if you have eaten breakfast this morning then its just textbook missionary work of christians trying to inject themselves. You could argue that its actually paganism injecting itself back the early stages of christian missionary work since christianity is "officially" dominant, but the resulting revitalization and "ideal christianity" that occurs proves that christianity is a parasitic, and unnecessary entity.

Christians dont agree on requirements of salvation, but they mostly agree only Christians get saved

Age old struggle of Aryans fighting for freedom, honour and nobility against the degenerative, suppressive, enslaving and ego serving dark impulse.

Pagan or Christian

It is not a matter of this or that religion: it is a matter of Traditional or not Traditional. Is Catholicism Traditional? Yes. Is Paganism Traditional? parts of it, as degeneration eats all over time. So Catholicism is the Tradition of the West and the good parts of Paganism that are Traditional were salvaged and absorbed. Hence there is no contradiction between the 2 in principle.

they mostly agree only Christians get saved

For me the fact that someone can saysomething like: this religions "promises" me AUTOMATIC salvation if i only ( ... ). It boggles my mind that one can be so spirtiually and intellectually stunted as to consider that the way to liberation from whatever evil in this material world of ours.

Tolkien was a devote catholic but he drew inspiration from several pagan sagas and pre christian myths. In his themes and subject matter however a distinct christian morality and world view can be observed, from the world creator Eru Aluvitar, through his angelic mediateries - the Valar, an original fallen agal - Melkor. Through the views of duty, belief, sin and redemption.
In the end it is an influential work of fiction and his personal views sipped in through it.

It's Christian, the story is essentially about old pagan beliefs giving way to Christianity being set in the third age where mythic beings like elves and heroes are already in the decline. Despite facing the ultimate evil and certain doom they band together to face it knowing full well their sacrifice might be in vain having put their faith in the hands of the meek. Frodo bearing the ring (bearing the cross) on the steps of Mt Doom is tempted by Sauron (Satan) to abandon his quest and he actually succeeded because he is just a man, were it not for Gollum intervening in the end as (prophecised by Gandalf) and tried to claim it for himself the ring would not have been destroyed. The only reason Gollum lived to fulfill the part he had to play is also because Frodo showed mercy when by any measure of logic he deserved none. In a world of elves, powerful wizards, a noble king of a powerful bloodline and the collective powers of the two most powerful kingdoms it is their faith in the goodness of men, the greater will and in Frodo that guides them. It is Frodo's compassion, strong moral character and the will to carry out his task, and the brotherhood he shares with Sam, that saves Middle-Earth in the end and his reward is to live out his immortal days in paradise.

I am going to go with Christian because I am not gay enough to see the benefit of drinking cum as a Pagan

Christianity demands you repent of sins

If you truly regret them that's what you are going to do anyway. You don't regret making a false testimony against your neighbor if you continue to refuse correct the record when you can. But in other religions you must correct the record no matter what, in Christianity God knows you would have corrected the record if not for an accident killing you before that.

Catholics believe all non catholics go to hell

Read Catechism. What it actually claims is that the Church has the best resources to guarantee your salvation and recognizes that particles of salvation are also present elsewhere, including other religions.

Pagan or Christian

Neither, it's gnostic slop

Yahweh is Sauron, the ring is the cross.
The fellowship of the ring seeks to destroy Christianity.
That doesn't necessarily make them pagan. They are gnostic/Satanists

Fpbp

FPBP, the seething responses say it all.

Thats fine. Im just not going to care about religion for a while because my prayers dont get answered and I need to think about real life shit. Its very annoying because God and religion becomes all I can think about and I cant get shit done.

We have aliens, faggot

This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard in regards to lotr. Of course you're behind a meme flag.

the ring is the cross

.t

Memeflag

Yahweh is Gandalf, Frodo is Jesus. (((Sauron))) is the synagogue of satan.

Btw when I say heroism I mean the ancient meaning. Not the christcuck meaning where people capable of great feats are sacrificing themselves to propagate flea ridden niggercattle subhumans.

You could say that it has both versions of heroism exist in LOTR since rangers are depicted as cucks who wander the wilds to protect niggercattle subhuman settlements who repay the favor by giving them snide looks and telling them their kind are not welcome in niggercattleville. Its the ultimate christcuck parasitic wet dream.

So obviously I mean the ancient version of doing great feats when I say pagan heroism. Rangers should just cut down any subhuman trash who dares look at them the wrong way and then question why the fuck are subhuman niggercattle even allowed to waste oxygen.

Christian, gandalf the white is a type of Christ, he enters the fight with Balrog as gandalf the grey

Jesus being sacrificed as the lamb

and then he comes back stronger as Gandalf the white and saves everyone at Battle of Helms Deep.

Jesus 2nd coming as the Lion

Same difference fuck wits
Look at all the media broken retards who don't read books, Don't trust anyone who talks shit about LoTR. They are 100% Jewish or one of the orc-shitskin races who know it, or modern commies who'll tell you the Orc's are the victims and by default, shitskin races. . Fuck you you weak peace of shit faggots. LoTOR is peak, They make something as good, it's impossible for the Commie and Shitskin-Orc's are only the evil that corrupts things made by good people.
youtu.be/DyUzR_GhNiU?4IYXhqVZ07CpO1Nk&t=166

youtube.com/watch?v=GoI2uHX69Z8

youtube.com/watch?v=i2VfQobm1x0

youtube.com/watch?v=xAbOAY_5GfE&t
Burn in Hell Kikes and rapejeets

my prayers don't get answered

Materialistic approach is a pagan approach to spirituality. You live during good times, so you do not understand why Christianity spread like a wildfire during the times of of 95% of humanity living in extreme poverty and 45% died before becoming 15 years old.
And next time declare your indifference before you have your ignorance pointed out. It makes you look like unwilling to expand your horizons and butthurt about being given a chance to learn better

king Aragorn deporting the Orcs

It's not a unique opinion, but it's a stupid opinion. I'll elaborate.

The Lord of the Rings movies weren't good

absolutely retarded opinion that shouldn't be taken seriously

The Lord of the Rings movies were mid, because they changed stuff

remains an incredibly stupid opinion, but getting better

I didn't like the Lord of the Rings movies, because the changes they made took away from things I found important

I didn't like the movies because the tone was different than I imagined in the books

I didn't like how they dumbed down the characters to the point that they weren't the same character any more

These are very reasonable opinions, and the point about dumbing down actually shows deep understanding of the intent behind most of the sillier changes.

It's beyond a competent movie adaptation with mostly competent and well-thought out simplifications. If you can't forgive the changes, you have to realize that it's mostly a you problem. Don't become a philistine that worships the idea of books more than their content.

Truly enlightened
If I have to hear one more midwit say how the 1980 Skeletor Witch-King was better cause the lines were closer to the book’s I’m gonna hafta slay them in their turn

Tywin is based but I don’t think that’s the message Martin tried to convey

Christian

no machiavelianism

Like Tolkien, it is a mix of both, but the moral underpinning is unfortunately from the semitic bible.
I've heard it described as "as if christianity had been a European religion".
It might have been better if it was less atheistic and meek, and more heroic and virile.
Syncretism is anathema to christian dogma.

Good take.

philistine

Friendly reminder not to use jewish anti-goyim slurs as a byword for 'uneducated'.

So again wtf are you talking about? Christianity is peak machiavelianism.

So even according to your own words christianity=no machiavelianism is false.

fight with Balrog

Christ's crucifixion is not a battle, but a ritual (yom kippur) sacrifice.

comes back stronger

I do agree that this can be seen as messianic, but purification and rebirth aren't exclusively found in the new testament. It is a basic solar myth for example.

You could say that it has both versions of heroism exist in LOTR since rangers are depicted as cucks who wander the wilds to protect niggercattle subhuman settlements who repay the favor by giving them snide looks and telling them their kind are not welcome in niggercattleville. Its the ultimate christcuck parasitic wet dream.

Savage
I don't think the hobbits are meant to be understood as subhuman niggercattle in any way though. The word is the English equivalent of a Scandinavian Nisse or Tomte, which are similar to the Roman Genius Locii and/or ancestral spirits.

elfs

dorfs

ents

wizzard

other satanic pagan spirits

definitely christian. what kind of braindead question is this? christianity is a cuck religion created by ancient jews to destroy roman empire.

Materialistic approach is a pagan approach to spirituality

It's not materialism. It's animism or pantheism.
The insistence that God is not here but somewhere completely separate is almost exclusively a semitic idea because semites are essentially soulless atheists who heard about God from their betters but can't see him the beauty of the cosmos.

yom kippur was God foreshadowing his own sacrifice

resurrection is quintessentially rebirth,
[Jhn 3:3 KJV] 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

I meant more like how aragorn was treated in the bree but hobbits also apply when they treat anyone with adventurous spirit with suspicion that needs to be shut down and be a worthless pub going beer barrel.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Fellowship of the Ring is probably the most overrated move I have ever seen. I finally read the book recently and it was significantly better by the time Aragorn shows up.

God foreshadowing

lol yeah sure whatever you say, but it still isn't a battle.

scripture

lmao anon, verily I say unto thee that rebirth is still a common mytheme that predates christianity.

To imply any religious or spiritual ideal is "stolen" is disingenuous or ignorant. All religions are simply finding the same universal truth.

Basically the lowest common worthless niggercattle denominator has the final word and moral high ground over someone with a heroic nature. Peak christcuck subversion.

kek
I understand your point, I just don't think you're supposed to interpret the hobbits like that. I read them more like a type of person, and the shire like comfort and familiarity in general.
I read the rangers simply as the "rough men who stand ready to do violence on your behalf" sort.
But your interpretation is funnier than mine.

That's literally never implied in the books you retard. They're shown as being in the wrong for that mentality. Just like you treat spirituality. You're the nigger cattle here and you can't even see it. Fucking hylics overrunning this board.

imply "stolen"

I never said anything of the sort. Your effete ego seems very fragile.

Gnostic is th answer

You implied it very clearly. Any roundabout proof of a universal truth is treated as theft.

strawman

Nah

Lord of the Rings is dogshit. Frodo is a fag and the characters are unlikeable.

They're shown as being in the wrong for that mentality

No they are not. They are shown as being rescued by the returning hobbits after sawing a culture of anti-heroism before going back to being niggercattle. Peak parasitic christkike mindset.

I just don't think you're supposed to interpret the hobbits like that.

If you take out of your mind that weak=inherently good how else are you to interpret it?

Gnostics get too much wrong. Which is a damn shame they had a lot of good dogma and I counted myself as one. But the more I read the more I realized they were off by a lot.

sawing

sowing*

holy shit how can you misinterpret a children's story so badly. No wonder religion is too much for you.

I read the rangers simply as the "rough men who stand ready to do violence on your behalf" sort.

Just pic related. I dont know how else to say it better.

You are seething at my words. Why is that?

Any roundabout proof of a universal truth is treated as theft.

Absolutely spastic-womanish strawman. Drink some water, eat some meat and lift some weights.

Christian from what i have heard, but i have no intention of watching that 20 hour nonsense.

Fantasy epic.
Why do you retards always have to project real life cuckery into art or any form of media? Can your mind really not comprehend made up worlds "existing" within themselves, with no attachment to reality?

how else

I think you're equating pagan values with some sort of a-historic situation in which everyone is a kaczinskean-nietzschean anarcho-superman in an untamed primordial wilderness. It's a funny meme, and there are some elements of truth to it, but it's not like pagan Greece, Roman or Germania didn't have non-combatants protected by combatants. The question is whether those non-combatants provide sufficient value to the combatants for the combatants to be willing to risk their lives to protect them; much in the same way as a (good) woman provides value to a man's household, and so the man is willing to protect her.

Nothing has ever been created ex nihilo.

Midwit cope.

Pagan tale that is deeply Christian

Frodo is Jesus, and Aragorn is Beowulf.
Most people prefer to identify with Aragorn. Make of that what you will.

So even when you meet me halfway through you admit that niggercattle has to get approved by heroes and not the other way around like it happens in christkike wet dreams. Btw read how ancient greeks defined the word hero vs the modern christkike subversion of the word.

The times that hercules has rescued a flea ridden niggercattle scum is 0. Every great feat he has done was for his own honor, wealth and glory. The concept that hercules would die for the propagation of niggercattle is entirely non-existent and alien to ancient greek lore.

The hobbits represent the age of innocence and natural social order that was intruded upon by the rise of democracy and industry.
At the time LOTR was written literature was full of these kinds of stories, nostalgia for a time when kindly and paternalistic lords of the manor protected the interests of the innocent and rustic charges on their land. Tolkein was just one of many reactionaries.

approved

Of course.

heroes

The rangers aren't heroes though. They're essentially background NPCs. Aragorn's heroic journey starts when he stops being a ranger.
The unfavorable comparison to Hercules can just as easily be done against a hoplite, a legionary, a hirdsman or whatever. Not every man is a demi-god hero in pre-christian society.

Every great feat he has done was for his own honor, wealth and glory.

Not really. The classic twelve labors are done as penance for his sins. It's atonement through heroic achievement, the pagan equivalent to atonement through swinging a chicken around your head.

Christianity is monotheistic variant of European religions (most of which are polytheistic or Paganistic).

Naturally, devout Christians will not admit that their religion professes a false origin.

After all, why do Hindus are allowed their correct assertion that their religion was made/discovered by Indians, Judaism by Jews, Islam by Arabs, etc., but only Christians are denied their claim that their religion is Middle Eastern and Semitic? It does feel like picking on Christians.

Even if you mention the language of their sacred text being Greek then Latin; thus, following the general rule of the native tongue of the founders being the lingua sacra of any religion (for example, Sanskrit for Hinduism, Hebrew for Judaism, Arabic for Islam), they will still argue, nevertheless, that they are not following a European made/discovered religion but a Levantine one.
It's quite hopeless really.

You are just changing the subject with semantics. Why dont you adress my point instead. Better yet go and watch on youtube lambert the sheepish lion, this is the same dinamics that tolkien puts in rangers, a lion being snided by sheep but also rescuing them from the wolf. Its obvious that its the same christian shamelessly parasitic wet dream as tolkien's dinamics between rangers and niggercattle and adventurous hobbits vs niggercattle hobbits. Thats all.

natural social order

lol

He has done the labors to wash his dishonor

Not one of them has him rescuing/propagating flea ridden niggercattle

I chose hercules just for this reason, its the closest you will find to a modern concept of hero and even then still you can fill half the checklist, proving my point that it was an entirely alien concept in ancient greek lore.

a lion being snided by sheep but also rescuing them from the wolf.

and his happy ending is that he finally gets the sheep approval, just pure christkike subversion.

That is not the dynamic of Christianity, that is the dynamic of civilization. Even the civilized pagan world had similar concepts - Plato's guardians, or Rome's patrician class.
If you are a darwinist who believes the strong should consume the weak, so be it, but you cannot claim that Christianity is the only obstacle to that.

plato

pagan

That guy was a failed missionary who was exiled from ancient greece for cultural subversion.

You are just changing the subject with semantics

The difference between an NPC and a hero is not semantics at all.

Why dont you adress my point instead.

I am simply disagreeing with the premise, hence this conversation. Would you care to engage with the fact that rangers clearly are not portrayed as classical heroes in any sense of the word, but rather as
Well, I'd argue that atoning for shameful and dishonorable acts is not synonymous with - although it is related to - increasing one's glory, wealth and honor. That was simply my point. I don't recall the lore of the Rangers, but theoretically, if they were doing this to atone for some past sin, the situation would be the same.

niggercattle

Half of the labors are Hercules removing a threat to the local "niggercattle", so I highly disagree.

proving my point that it was an entirely alien concept in ancient greek lore.

What is the "it" you're referring to? Rescuing and protecting non-combatants? Then how do you think a polis worked? How could ancient Rome have been full of artisans, artists, philosophers, priests, women, children and elderly if there weren't rough men doing violence on their behalf?

Varg say's it's pagan, so it's pagan!!!

You're evading the point, anon. The warrior-nobility ruling over the non-combatant plebs is not a christian invention. It's literally a goy tradition that christianity (and other factors) derailed.

This. Yahweh is just another Levantine storm-war god. All archaeology points to this. Makes sense why he's associated with floods, lightning, and conquest. Jewish Thor.

vegetabilis

gets me every time

but rather as

*but rather as rough men standing ready to do violence on behalf of non-combatants, like any other soldier or warrior class?

Iam not avoiding it. If you look close enough plato was shilling for the same concept as tolkien (one god above many gods) in a society that has many gods and was kvetching his guts out at the mention of the iliad where the pagan gods are blatantly invoked over his own concept. The only thing that makes this guy "pagan" is that he failed his missionary work.

I simplified it for you with the lion and the sheep thing so that you wont be able to double down on your gish gallop pilpul. Feel free to adress that if you want more (you)s.

That is not the dynamic of Christianity, that is the dynamic of civilization.

The dynamics of civilization is that niggercattle are inherently justified existentially and are the ultimate arbiters of who else is justified to exist? Maybe of a civilization being overrun by pakis lol. I bet now you expect the adventurer hobbits to come from their adventure and rescue you from the pakis after you sowed these dynamics?

Christian. Why do you ask?

You're conflating one instance where the concept has been subverted (last 10 years in europe) with the concept itself. Now you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
If I were a nefarious elite looking to undermine the structure of society, that would be the plan, and you're demoralization would be my intention.

I know who Plato is. You're still dodging the point, which I'll reiterate since you seem to miss it every time: warrior-nobility ruling over the non-combatant plebs is not a christian invention, and is nowhere to be found in the new testament.

I simplified

You need not simplify your position. Everyone understands it. We just disagree. You could attempt to engage with the disagreement.

NPCs not being heroes is semantic pilpul

You're getting emotional over a scholarly disagreement of interpretations of a fantasy novel. I'm not sure why you think I'd want any of these (you)s. Feel free to first compose yourself if you want to reply.

PS. Achilles is a much better example of the type of hero you're looking to illustrate. Unlike Hercules, he actually chooses the heroic but tragic path, and becomes a Nietzschean uber-barbarian who looks down upon all other men and their laws and customs as inferior to him (as he is possessed by Ares).

warrior-nobility ruling over the non-combatant plebs is not a christian invention

Sure lets go with that, now point where this disproves that the dynamics of rangers coming to the rescue of niggercattle who snide them instead of cutting them down is a christian wet dream concept?

You're getting emotional

Yes because you are evading the point. Are the cuck rangers a christian concept or not? I dont need your pilpul about what a hero is. Change the word to whatever suits you.

You are getting emotional over the idea of not having plebs ruled by whatever and changing the subject to argue against it like your life depends on. How do you justify this?
I literally do not understand what you are saying right now.

Unlike Hercules

What do you mean unlike hercules? Point out where hercules has ever acted like a capeshit hero. Even the twelve labors (not even half of hercules lore) have nothing for your case.

Just so I prove my point about the heroism thing that spanish flag has taken offense over just google ancient hero vs modern hero. Im completely justified to say that pagan hero is a concept of its own and nothing to do with self-sacrifice for niggercattle capeshit.

So the only thing you can try to argue against is that you are not interested in the same concept of heroism as Iam and that I should not speak on your behalf over it.

Let me know if you ever manage to compose yourself, then we can attempt this conversation again.

Are the cuck rangers a christian concept or not?

Doesnt get more composed than this shithead.

Tolkien was a Catholic.
But he had some pagan characters.

The First Council of Nicaea had 20 canons.

"Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie."

That's 20 rings right?

The word "canon" comes from the Greek kanon, which in its original usage denoted a straight rod.

The rod and the ring.

From an outspoken Catholic author whose son even became a priest.
"Pagans" aka larpers are just desperately grasping at straws as usual.

larpers

says the unnatural branch

Let's discuss the philosophical relations of Christianity or paganism to a book about world war 2.

butthurt jannie:

you're just here to shit on my religious preference.

jannie lost another philosophical argument and had a hissy.

Which pantheon do you larp as a follower?

Aristotle's

IIRC Orcs were meant to resemble Mongol or Turkish raiders.

Watch this video if you want to be 100% sure of going to heaven after you die

youtu.be/XZnrwvIYmuk?si=OY7OuFjkGI8tYiij

It's actually very easy to be saved from hell fire because Jesus already finished all the hard work for you.