be Columbus
have no modern navigational equipment
no way to phone home
shit-tier maps
no engine, just sails
how many supplies to bring?
barely any lights for when it gets dark
Wtf bros???
How the FUCK do you just sail one of these across the ocean?
All gas no brakes
Sometimes you just have to send it, silly.
He pestered the queen so much he was given a few ships and told to fuck off. If he died nothing of value would lost. If he found something, then there was much to gain.
Also he made the calculations and he thought the Earth was smaller and he thought he would have reached India, japan or china in a couple of months, so his math and plan was believable. He was wrong but still found something
Its called an astrolabe, you mongrel. Even dung beetles understand celestial navigation. Did you have breakfast this morning?
stars cause there was no light pollution, in fact some ship’s navigational systems today still use the stars. You can tell your position on earth based on which constellations you see and where they have rotated too since you’ve left.
This and it was said better than I was going to attempt.
I spent 2 one-off seasons on deep sea crab fishing ships. Some of the best and worst times of my life. When you're 100+ miles away from major light pollution sources, the stars become incredible. They can be seen and 'read'
Until that job, I never thought much about sailing through the ocean during storms and nighttime. It's very humbling and terrifying if you aren't at peace with inevitable death
there's no app for that and since I'm a pathetic and incapable person I'm just gonna assume it's impossible!
They did it because they were a better class of people than you. Hug your participation trophy and be glad you're born at a time when your inadequacy is common.
There were actually a handful of analogue devices around at that time and even in the antiquity that were pretty accurate for navigation.
I don’t know how hard it would have been to learn how to use them but history shows us they were accurate enough. We’re also talking about a time when people weren’t total pussies and the call of adventure was something many were willing to throw their entire life away to follow.
Leaf gets it.
Just go full Stuart.
Those old ships were smaller than that dude. They also didn't have gun ports on the side.
You load it up with food and hopefully have a someone aboard who knows where you’re going because they have been there before.
It's called being a man, you chud. A man who doesn't take risks and go beyond his limits is no man. He is worse than a tranny, because at least trannies have the balls to cut their balls off. A cowardly pussy is just a useless meatbag. And btw, they used the constellations (and later a sextant and compass) to navigate.
what was the scariest thing?
if you ponder the incredible accomplishments of history’s great men you’re a pussy
Go on then anon, lead us to the next frontier
Faustian spirit.
How the FUCK do you just sail one of these across the ocean?
ask the portuguese and spainiards.
Just make sure every single sailor is a gigachad and you're good to go
That’s the point of this thread, innit? Sometimes I think we forget how incredibly difficult things must have been hundreds of years ago, yet they persisted and pushed the boundaries
his strategy was to move to where the wind moved west, keep going and pray that the supplies last
They used press gangs to recruit sailors.
I guess they washed themselves in sea water etc, disgusting
They would shit into the ocean
HE WAS A BRAVE ITALIAN EXPLORER AND IN THIS HOUSE, CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS IS A HERO! END OF STORY!
have no modern navigational equipment
They knew exactly where they were at all times, it was just harder work
Zoomers can't fathom an analog world with no electricity or internet kek
Zoomers can't make it to the gas station and back without issues
But they didn't know exactly where they were until an accurate clock was made.
inna bucket and empty the bucket in the ocean
2 things come to mind. One was constant, but there was peace with the fear, funny enough. Knowing that a small thing could go wrong, and death be the result. But any aspect of life can be seen this way, which is why we must allow life to have courage and death have our fear
1 time while sleeping, there was an insanely loud noise. I heard the vibrations in my ears for days. Something very solid hit the side of our ship. The veterans said it happens from time to time, but there's nothing on the scans to show what is was. I started praying in the tiny chapel room after that day, and so did a few other new guys lol
It sounded like the object was metal and huge. Not sure what it was , and from the noise of the impact I wouldn't have been surprised if a giant hole ripped through and had taken me out into the current
So they knew where, but not when.
You have the stars and that’s all you need
the only way to know where you are east to west is to know when you are
When you are is how you find your longitude.
You're not pondering, you're throwing your hands up, giving up, and claiming that it's impossible because "it's just too hard!"
You do this because you've become conditioned to it, and expect others to do it for you.
go on then anon, lead us to the next frontier
See? Expecting someone else to do it. Die a failure.
t. most agreeable anon
Must've been terrifying, thanks for the story time.
i would but the time isn't ripe yet
Brown flag
Can't into sailing
What a surprise
Clocks existed in the 15th century my friends
great thread we need like these
good thread
these guys were absolute gigachads
modern people are weak faggots
Why don't you go on jewtube and watch people still sailing these things across the ocean?
Yes, but they weren't accurate enough to find longitude.
he pestered thr queen so much
That always sounded like such fucking bullshit. Like the queen wouldn't just say "if you come back here again I will have you thrown in jail or executed."
int the 18th your government made a £20K ( a life-long fortune at the time) reward for anyone that could precisely measure longitude
And then they tried to stiff the guy. It took him years to get paid.
the modern equivalent of this will be the early space travellers / inter planetary bases
I’ll tie some replies together.
He pestered the queen so much he was given a few ships and told to fuck off. If he died nothing of value would lost.
He was actually hooked up with one of the best sailing families in Spain as a condition of his expedition.
Also he made the calculations and he thought the Earth was smaller and he thought he would have reached India, japan or china in a couple of months, so his math and plan was believable. He was wrong but still found something
This is correct. He over estimated the size of Asia and underestimated the size of the Atlantic. He did find land at about the time and latitude he had estimated he would. He found the Bahamas instead of the Seychelles though.
You can tell your position on earth based on which constellations you see and where they have rotated too since you’ve left.
They would pick a star in a constellation in the morning and run towards that as it appeared on the same latitude every morning at that time of year.
Those old ships were smaller than that dude
The decks were about the size of a tennis court.
Would you consider a moon colony on this tier? Honestly Columbus’ journey seems more impressive at this point.
Dont be a pussy, follow a bearing, bring food and water.
Theres teams of people that row accepss the atlantic. Its not that difficult dude.
1.he was a good navigator with huge experience, something that Castille couldn't pass on
2. he went there 3 times basically
Tell me you're African without telling me you're African.
good breakdown
Vasco da Gama beats Columbus by 10x, if you want to read about it there's the Lusiadas that's an epic modeled after the Illiad
Prevailing winds
Map for reference
the decks were about the size of a tennis court
No they were not. They were tiny ships. You can look up the dimensions yourself. They are small.
Who the fuck has ever rowed across the Atlantic?
Just so you know, OPs picture is not an accurate ship. He posts a picture of a ship that is centuries later than the old ships that sailed across the ocean in the 15th century.
Very likely a deadhead. A mostly submerged container or object. Or some sort of spooky ethereal thing. I was sailing in the north channel in canadian waters and hit something similar one day. Lifted the rear of the boat out of the water for a second. Upon inspection i had a 14" tear in the stern. Was a big deal on a 30ft vessel but not nearly as dire as being in the middle of absolute nowhere. Fortunately i was able to make radio contact with the harbor in killarney for assistance and a tow.(Sails not fast enough for the emergency i had.) And spent 2 weeks on drydock drinking. Waiting for my boat to be fixed.
its still all so fascinating regardless of the outcome...to get in a ship with a deck the size of a tennis court and ship west using just the stars
have no modern navigational equipment
early morning, sun is east
late night, sun is west
ez pz
Okay also super impressive, but he hugs the continent most of the time… I think what really gets me about Columbus’ voyage is going into the unknown with nothing but the stars to guide you.
Vasco da Gama beats Columbus by 10x
It’s infinitely harder to round the cape than it is to find the Bahamas due to the ocean currents. The Portuguese would swing wide into the south Atlantic to catch those currents. It’s how they discovered Brazil.
The brits used hourglasses that were pretty accurate for such a thing before the invention of a smaller clock that could be fitted on a ship or carried. I assume most other seafaring people did the same.
there's like 150 highly organized men onboard who know what they are doing
even then, a lot of them died. it was a dangerous job. most died in storms
watch the very good movie, "master and commander"
by having balls of iron and God on your side
So you just drop anchor and wait when it's cloudy?
Jesus fucking christ you people are useless
This is the same thread as the one where someone posts a picture of lithography, (CPUs, GPUs etc)
And goes, "this is really complicated, it must be aliens!!1"
One, they had navigation equipment, it was just rudimentary, by our standards
Two, if you knew what you were doing, it wasnt that hard
Ocean travel in those days is a lot like space travel now, if you want to launch a mission to Mars, moons of Jupiter etc. you have to launch at a certain time
As long as you set sail at the right time of year, covering large distances via ocean travel was not super difficult
Tacking and jibing. Constellations for navigation at night. Sailing is the ultimate white man's hobby. If you can't harness the wind for power then you should be back at the village gathering vegetables with the women.
Why would not having a map be an issue? How would he have a map of somewhere he didn’t know existed? He just went in an direction ackshually.
Okay also super impressive, but he hugs the continent most of the time…
looking at a Map is decieving because they are hundreds to thousands of kilometers away from the sea
I think what really gets me about Columbus’ voyage is going into the unknown with nothing but the stars to guide you.
Gama only knew it was theoretically possible, he didn't know if he could actually reach India from Cape
but i get the feeling
night time
use stars
c'mon nigger
sissy cuck bitch bois on suicide watch
Theres an actual race with teams of rowers yearly. Shits rediculous.
My mistake. The entire ship could sit on a tennis court. Not that the main deck was the size of a tennis court.
But the hourglass isn't accurate over thousands of miles and it's prone to human error. What if the hourglass guy falls asleep and flips it 15 minutes late?
Vasco da Gama himself remarked how the birds were going west rather than East, showing therer was likely land nearby
I do not believe you.
Great idea, what about if it's raining day and night and you can't see the stars or the sun.
Any good stories or memories from the drydock? Sometimes there's funny old men with good stories
Was stuck in a drydock in st Lucie Florida for a month. Was fantastic
He's getting flogged.
Also there were two guys in charge of the hourglass, one to flip it and one to tell him to.
Turn west.
Set sail.
Engage autopilot.
Switch on AIS.
Set proximity alarm.
Lie down.
how is this more impressive, there's tons of land they could get off at any time if they really needed to resupply
Yeah and a tennis court isn't as big as I thought it was in my head
If the hourglass system was so great parliament wouldn't have passed the longitude act which basically said the hourglass sucks someone invent an accurate clock and we'll pay you.
tfw you tell the boy to flip the hourglass but he doesn't and you get flogged too
tons of land they could get off at any time if they really needed to resupply
yeah, just get close to Africa, what could possibly go wrong
they made only 4 landings in the entire trip
I was initially confused as to why they stopped over in Rio on their way to Cape Colony in the Jack Aubrey books.
I had to look up a current chart like this one for it to make sense.
Fun fact, the fastest way to sail to Australia from Europe was round Cape Horn.
tfw Madagascar was inhabited by south Asians and not Africans
I understand but that's 4 more landings than you'd have made on the way to America, which could've been just as dangerous to land on.
I believe it was a marine.
The children were officers.
People were way smarter back then because they didn't have tv to distract them from learning about the world and how to use a tool or use logic.
He probably had information about where he was heading. History is fake and gay. I’m sure he told everyone what a brave adventurer he was, but he likely had a route mapped out from an earlier civilization.
And if you look at the ocean currents it makes sense why the Spanish were sending treasure fleets twice a year while the Portuguese could only manage once a year.
The power of wind.
Somehow i got talking to a couple swingers in their early 30s at a bar inviting me to a party. I was 19 and far too timid. Thats the only real wierd one that stuck with me.
Oh I know this one, They used something like a slab of Iolite to pinpoint the location of the sun behind the clouds
They were old boats at the time too, that said, the Atlantic isn't a bad crossing. People have done it in little more than a bathtub with a lid. People do it with 20-30' boats all the time. As far as navigation, they were surprisingly skilled at navigating with the sun and stars.
The vikings would often use a sunstone and water board to magnify the suns position and power through clouds. Its how they navigated to england and back in the 1100s. But iltimately yea theres not much you can do but wait untill the clouds dissapate before taking an azimuth from either the sun or stars again. Then correcting course as necessary.
Sextants are incredibly accurate tools even by todays standards
he likely had a route mapped out from an earlier civilization.
Picrel was the map he had. As I said earlier, Asia was overestimated and the ocean was underestimated.
Those old square sailed ships are downhill sleds. The only thing they do well is sail straight downwind but they do that pretty damn well. This is ideal for crossing the Atlantic from East to West because once start going down Africa's West coast and you find the tradewinds they will take you right across to the Caribbean.
noooo you can’t just go around appreciating great men and their Herculean tasks, it was so easy!!!
what is expedition
There wasnt a single ship but like 5+ of ships worth of supplies.
It's a white person thing you wouldn't understand.
I understand but that's 4 more landings than you'd have made on the way to America
and 4x the distance
which could've been just as dangerous to land on.
Columbus never encountered problems with
Okay well you have the entire internet to search.
worldstoughestrow.com
True. Google earth has made the world seem oh so small. It really isn't that big. Sure the Pacific ocean is huge but it's also really not.
He wasnt some random dirty pesant, you cant just order someone like that killer, such things only happen in russia
How the FUCK do you just sail one of these across the ocean?
bring enough supplies with you
muh man
Yes, I was wrong because I didn't think anyone was retarded enough to do something like that, for fun.
The Dutch and English figured out that if you let the Spanish do all the work you can just snatch up the Treasure Fleet off of Cadiz.
Well what do you do for fun?
The first mate's dick.
forward thinking is still the best thinking
I've sailed to Hawaii from San Diego, it's something to hit that little speck of rock out there in all that ocean. I'm kind of surprised they found it in the first place.
I have no proof, but i always assume that we are taught lies and “heroes” are far less heroic than history claims (and villains far less villainous).
start thread where you fail to comprehend great deeds from great men because it is utterly incomprehensible to your naive and lazy mindset.
"they did it by putting in the effort bro"
"I'm just pretending to be retarded, even though I said it was impossible I'm really just discussing their efforts"
Yeah, fuck off.
>barely any lights for when it gets dark
Oh no, if only there was some way to navigate by the stars...
the dark ages really did hold man back
Sometimes I go out rowing, but only for like twenty or thirty days in a row.
barely any lights for when it gets dark
Never sailed myself, but outside of cloudy nights, I can confirm that night isn't as dark as you think when you have zero lights.
I live out in the country and during the summer when rain clouds are uncommon I can walk around outside at night and the moon and stars offer a fair amount of light to get around without issue. And below deck they had candles and oil lamps.
i always assume that we are taught lies
As a history teacher I’ll say this, and there a few reasons for this, history is taught in a stripped down version. Especially in primary school, but also in secondary school.
Even better question would be how in the fuck did cocaine residue end up on a four thousand year old Mummy in Egypt?
Regardless, I'm blaming the Jews.
im on that non-verbal nautical bookworm type shit. Peep the tortoise shell frames
We've all seen the 700ad maps where the Mediterranean is basically hyper defined and everything else is woopy goopy. Must have been crazy to be the first guy to map the southern coasts of Africa, to India, and make it all make sense.
how in the fuck did cocaine residue end up on a four thousand year old Mummy in Egypt?
The simplest answer is a lab tech was doing blow.
How different human history would have been if we knew the trip was a third the length if you go from Africa to that tip of Brazil.
why? I don’t see the purpose other than to scare and propagandize children.
In old time men were iron and ships were wood....these days ships are iron and men have plastic dildo in anus.
this right here
Kek. Idk some people just seek adventure. I cant tell you why people do the things they do. Ive put myself in precarious situations on the water more rhan a few times. Partly from incompetence early on, party because i didnt give a fuck in my more current years. Its something of a test, and adventure. You learn alot about yourself when you move from the comfort zone and get into some real shit.
I have a pretty good idea of what i can handle, and what i cant as a result.
Once youve seen and done some shit you realize nothings quite as difficult as those assholes Made it seem. I remember my radio took a shit and i was about to get blasted by a storm in the middle of lake michigan. And the ole reliable atomic4 engine decided it didnt want to work that evening. So all i could do was reef the sail and put the storm jib on and ride it out jn my rain gear. Quite a night.
Helps if you have a reliable boat.
This is a weird slide thread.
Must have been crazy to be the first guy to map the southern coasts of Africa, to India, and make it all make sense
European mapmakers had Arab maps to use the Arab slave trade had crawled all over the east coast and interior of Africa. They also had sea trades with the spice islands. Remember, Marco Polo returned to Europe on a sea route rather than the overland on the Silk Road.
They figured that out fairly quickly. They knew about Africa, and once they hit the coast of the new world they mapped everything they found.
Atleast its engaging.
The world was smaller back then. The ocean was only about 30 miles across.
But... boats.
election fatigue and its boats so yeah
All of Columbus’ ships were rigged to tack. One of them left Spain without that ability but was converted in the Canary Islands. In Columbus time a perfect job of celestial navigation would land you within fifty miles plus or minus of your intended landing point. Practical was 100 miles+/- and 200 miles was common.
People believe the moon landing was fake. So when are conspiratards gonna come out of the woodwork and say Columbus and any other in that time never sailed anywhere and it's all fake (remember Columbus is jew)
b-but there's evidence
That doesn't stop retards from saying the earth is flat (also jewish well poisoning).
I like being out on the water too. But I don't like it enough to spend two months rowing across the ocean. Those guys are something else.
(((Columbus))) didnt do shit other than mass murder natives with the small pox blankey bioweapon. Vikings and Africans found the New World long before that faggot showed up.
Stop watching Netflix
Yeah that's how they came back but what they liked was sailing straight downwind.
see
you leaf have a way of always have the best of chaotic evil and chaotic good
Sextant and compas existed.
Winds were favorable, the golf current creates such air pressure diffrences that you rarely have 0 wind days like in some areas of the Pacific.
They had food and pit stops to Portuguese islands along the way to resupply.
Look at Pacific Islanders. On the whole, they seem like literally every other non interesting brown people. However, they knew where every little island is throughout the entirety of the Pacific ocean, just by reading the stars. Look at ancient times with the (((Phoenicians))) and their sailing prowess, they were essentially the merchant versions of Vikings. Maybe fallen angel worship let them see further beyond the horizon than the average human could see. Columbus was kike after all so it wouldn't surprise me.
Very true. Most people who grow up in cities don't realize the impact that artificial light pollution creates. Go out in the Appalachians on cloudless night and you will have no issues staying on a hiking path without a flashlight.
rigged to tack
What does this mean
Some Persian ruler scared off a Chinese delegation to the Roman Empre by telling them that they would have to sail the rest of the way. Technically true, because one way was to sail up the Red Sea, but there was a perfectly serviceable land route.
How the FUCK do you just sail one of these across the ocean?
You Don't - Just sail ...
You have to train your crew, not just How & what to do....,
But train them to Work Together!
Drilling on every procedure...
Yes it was quite a chore!
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knock that shit off landlubber
Oh look, a cucknadian.
It's enjoyable but it makes me sad. I can't even spend too long on a stationery boat without getting this weird, reverse seasickness. On waves I'm fine, but going back onto dry land fucks my balance for 3 months. Being on the water is so nice too.
history isn't real
Obviously. Same with swamp gas causing bogus UFO sightings. Thanks for reminding me
Pircel related
propagandize children
This is a big part of it. There is a vested interest in having a national “creation myth” in order to tie all citizens together through history, even the newcomers. Another reason is that small children (under 10ish) are information sponges and while they readily suck up facts, they rarely understand abstracts. So getting into the nitty gritty of history is a wasted effort.
In my case, as a highschool teacher, there are time constraints. US history is generally split into two years, colonial days to the civil war, then the civil war through the modern era. In each of those courses I have over 100 content standards I need to meet. By content standard I mean the people and places of history and not the using of maps or report writing. Within each content standard there are usually multiple people or places which need to be covered. So the standard isn’t “learn about Columbus” it’s “know all the explorers”. So each standard, if I could run them, would have biographies on up to a dozen different historical figures. Now remember, there are over 100 standards, there aren’t 100 teaching days in a school year. There’s just not enough time to cover everything.
Another reason is lack of background. My first year teaching I timed it out so I would hit on Columbus, on Columbus Day. And every single student asked who Columbus was. They had zero background information.
Yet another reason is lack of caring from the students. They just don’t give a shit. They have 6-8 other classes they need to take that day in order to graduate. High schoolers can be pretty blunt about it “just tell us what we need to know to pass the final”.
I’d love to have an in depth discussion with my students about Columbus’ interactions with the Taino people. But I don’t have time and 99% of them don’t give a shit. So, in fourteen hundred and ninety two…
have no modern navigational equipment
what is a compass and sextant
They were basically suicide missions at first.
and Africans
Doubt that, niggas can't swim or make boats.
People that try to condemn world explorers are the biggest faggots in our current world.
muh colonies
Yeah because it took 5 months to get there
Leichardt's route was peak cozy.
just follow your nose
Tacking means sailing up wind. When you switch sides its called a tack when attempting to sail upwind (zigzag pattern roughly 45 deg to the wind on star or port) jibe is a similar act but typically down in a down wind maneuver. Jibes can be more dangerous as its a less predictable action.
Its about as basic as i can explain it. Im no expert seaman. I just know how me boat works.
i love doing this on slop of thieves
Tack is turning the bow of the boat across the wind, with the implied wind direction being right at you where you turn across it, so the boat is able to travel upwind by taking an angle off to your left say, and when getting where you want to go necessitates that you take an angle off to the right, you do that, so basically you can go anywhere in the world if you geometry it right.
you can go anywhere in the world
airplanes are just skyboats when you think about it
muh russia
Go back to your containment thread retard.
Astrolabs, you mutt nigger, we invented them, we Moors, Columbus was jewish Moor.
Ah yes, the hands point to this swirly bit on the right, that means we should go this way
*Dies of scurvy*
Columbus had it easy
Unfortunately much of the knowledge on how they mensured longitude was a state secret, kept to the pilots of the Casa de Contratación in Seville, so indeed, your post has a point
persians
Back in the day, men had to work to eat. They figured out stars and maps, and had crews of people hoisting sails.
There was a man called a navigator and his job was to figure out where the ship was.
how the fuck do you sail
You dont, Thats why the nigger landed in america while looking for India. Even vasco nigger was to be told how to drive the boat across cape town by aryans
columbus had old maps showing the New World- he grew up in the mapmaking community of Mallorca (he wasn't genovese, that was an assumed identity, he barely even spoke the language!) and also in his earlier career he had encountered maps including America in the Azores, Morocco. before his famous expedition he got maps from Iceland including the New World and maps from the Bourbon royalty in Madrid who greenlighted the expedition
read David Hatcher Childress's book on the Templar fleet, it has a whole section on Columbus
Sailing with these ships is slow and relies on down wind.
The other more clever question would be how do you port these big ships, when you have no engine pilot boats to take you to piers.
nah, the royals knew all about the "new world." the stuff about finding the Indies was bullshit even then. merely a lie that has been enshrined in mainstream history.
The Queen “Isabelle de Castille” was literally sick with a mental sickness, once she pushed us (Moors) out from Andalusia, she wanted to move to Morocco and Christianize it. We sent Columbus larped as a Catholic, and showed her our long time secret land, “America” so that she get busy and forget about Morocco.
Now about the “new land” we had discovered America 700-800 years prior to the official date, there are Mosques and Quran copies even Indian american tribes that were muslims to testify that. We sent niggers as slaves and used the Grand Canyon as natural “safe coffer”. Once the threat was too real, we gave away our secret.
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beautifulislam.net
mancebomosaic.com
look at how close together brazil and africa are. the "new world" has been known for much of history
it floats. crazy concept for a nigger, I know.
First created by us in Andalusia THEN exported to Persia since Persians became Muslims we shared our advanced.
At that time Sevilla was under Moorish rule. Give to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar. And yes you are right it was a state secret.
Always a treat to see a new schizo conspiracy theory on Anon Babble
Is this the guy that claims he was doing to India but never turned his boat to face the morning sun?
Did this guy leave Spain the same time that the jews were expelled from Spain?
we had discovered America 700-800 years prior to the official date, there are Mosques and Quran copies even Indian american tribes that were muslims to testify that.
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Real History, have you ever wondered why there is a city called “Morocco” in America ? Even Tangier.
Have you ever wondered why is Morocco the first country to recognize the US when Europeans refused to do so ??
There are much more interesting events that are not spoken in the mainstream “history”.
It boggles my mind how most people aren't interested in all in learning more about the past. Whenever I see articles or threads or videos about a certain time period or event it makes me want to read into it more, I was coming through the history of the East India Trading Company in the morning cause I wanted to see how the British ended up subjugation the jeets for example and then the topic links start to snowball till I get to the caste system and ancient vedic texts that I want to look into
Some authors point to the use of a set of sand clocks. It seems it was an Arab developed technique to sailing across the Mediterranean, where measuring longitude had some importance. It might have permeated to the kingdoms of Spain and Portugal. Magellan and then Elcano made extensive use of it with extraordinarily accurate results.
The technique was confirmed by measuring the difference in longitude between two Spanish ports, hence the actual size of the Earth was known before Columbus departed.
Columbus was sent to look for India not america. Thats why he called americans native indians when he landed
Columbus thought he was going to India, but there is evidence that many in the Spanish and Portuguese courts had evidence that the Earth was bigger
Elaborate further
I've heard of the arabic world maps that predate Columbus that show part of the american continent and even australia.
Columbus was sent to look for India not america
Thanks for repeating the mainstream narrative. Astrolabs dont make mistakes, the position of the stars are always accurate. 0 chance of that happening.
But yea that’s mainstream history will teach you in your endoctrinement program (history classes).
Its called an astrolabe, you mongrel. Even dung beetles understand celestial navigation. Did you have breakfast this morning?
an astrolabe only allows you to calculate longitude, not latitude. You need an accurate clock to calculate latitude. So there is no way sailors crossing the Atlantic could know when they were getting near to shore and so in the blackness of night Im sure they ran aground a lot
islam had no knowledge and simply stripped it from whatever civilization they conquered/converted of Phoenician descendants
an astrolabe only allows you to calculate longitude, not latitude.
whoops, got that in reverse, it allows you to calculate latitude, not longitude
he arabic world maps that predate Columbus that show part of the american continent and even australia.
Indeed they exist. Astrolab and other navigational tools were a state secret like the other meme flag anon have pointed out. To answer how we got it, it’s whether an intellectual efforts from scientists from all 4 corners of the world, because in Andalusia under Moorish rule, such cooperations were encouraged, we had people from all the known world contributing to science and discovery, OR my 2nd theory would be that it was a relic from the “old world” that was deciphered and reverse engineered then used, “old world” as Tartaria and Atlantis.
We sailed to Nordic Barbarian land (Scandinavia), all through the middle east Qatar was only a forward maritime base that was run from Agadir (Morocco), the modern Qataris look physically like our people in Agadir, when one see this he cannot unsee it. Even Saudi arabia was populated from our own country men, back when it was no man’s land, this is translated today with our close affinity with the Saudis. All the way to China, as it was part of the silk road.
conquered/converted
Seething brainwashed mutt, keep on believing whatever your local zionists tell you.
Pic rel is Crimea in a muslim made map.
This makes sense but it's no secret history. It's a well known fact by now that vikings traded with the muslims merchants through the black sea all the way to scandinavia. Their swords show this history clearly because their best swords were made from middle eastern wootz steel alloy that were made around modern pakistan.
Also wasn't the map i was talking about named piri something?
posthumously
Muhdik.
Where da white wimminz at?
Muh reh-pah-ray-shuns
Hateful mutt, brainwashed by zionists.
nationalgeographic.com
and “heroes” are far less heroic than history claims
Heroes are absolutely real and absolutely pulled amazing shit. Its just that the difference between a hero who ended up in history books and a retard whose death get everyone to laugh for minute before being completely forgotten is mostly luck.
Plenty of people in the street could be a legendary hero, they just never decide to gamble their life on a "hold my beer" moment - or they did and got the expected result instead of a 1-in-million success.
It’s really a great tale of being a man and following your convictions through. Now it’s ruined by women and Jews.
Underestimate the distance to your end destination and go full-throttle.
Spanish
Rough it through the center of the Atlantic and figure the rest out later.
Portuguese
Follow the current running along Mauritania down to Liberia, then follow it to Brazil. Once you find out trying to sail to South Africa along the Central African coast is tantamount to suicide, experiment with sailing alongside the Brazilian coast, then across to the Cape.
The most important thing here was the development of the lateen sail plan. This enabled them to follow the Mauritanian coastline without getting blown off by the westward winds.
just thug that shit out
the astrolabe was not a muslim invention
its was phoenician
all your sciences predate you and is babylonian sumerian
you played with someone elses culture for a bit and thought yourselves intelligent and now you bark for zionists yourselves
islam is the biggest joke in the world
waste more time raping little girls than fighting for your birthright against the jews because youre pathetic unwanted bastard children of abraham with no birthright
allah doesnt care for you
fuck you
fuck your god
and fuck your heritage
We wuz sailors n shiiiiiieeeet
Not all Vikings were organized, we probably supplied some select tribes, but most of the Vikings were unorganized Barbarians, their poor food cultural heritage can testify of that.
But nice to know that some of them reached the Black sea for trades. I didn’t know that!
There is a reason why our sailors tried to discover Brazil. Because when they were in the midle of the south atlantic sailing down to Africa they found birds coming from the west. On the next voyage they told the next captain that was making the trip to open the route more and he landed in Brazil.
They sailed by the constellations. I've heard that before. I wonder what they did do at night though. Did one man stay up to sail the ship and watch over it while everyone else went to bed?
Exactly. Motherfuckers were tough and had god on their sides. You wouldn’t make it very far being a nihilistic atheist kike wimp.
de Gama just followed the coast
Columbus sailed into the unknown
Full crew stayed up. They hot swapped racks. You can double your crew in the same small space by doing that.
They also understand that eating shit is good for you. Now you know what to do.
mutt with 250 years of existence barking at a superior civilization
Know your place, by our standards you are a little child. Once upon a time we ruled the world, did we go around and genocide people like you are doing during your “time of glory”. Nope. We welcomed brains from all 4 corners of the world and contributed to mankind in a way you will never achieve. What did mutt achieve ? World wide goyslop ? World wide mass surveillance? Wordwide prema-war state ? World wide usury enslavement to jews?
Yes we had jews but they were under our boots, you today worship your jews and would die for them if ordered.
I bless your hateful heart as I ALWAYS bless my enemies first, may your brainwashing dissolve and see how YOU (mutts) are the REAL threat to world peace, thieves of resources and corruption spreaders.
Astrolab are not moor they were found since before greeks apparently. Any type of navigation tools need trignometry and decimals. So i doubt moors invented it
state secret
Did a lazy search and we had your state secret astrolabe atleast 100 years before you gave it to columbus. Nice schizo posts though you almost got me
Objectively untrue, but I admire your dedication to making ziggers seethe
They were actually fairly advanced but their permanent settlements failed to be as "shiny" as other cultures. They were very good traders and sailors, lets just say that their "tech tree" was focused mostly on that.
They were in fact not as organized as other cultures, they were certainly no empire but small kingdoms. They were a menace when these kingdoms organized to a common goal though.
About the trade
It's believed that they used all the rivers of the region to move and trade. Also arabic traders used the same trade routes. It was not normal but it was possible to see muslim traders up north and to see northern traders down south. The royal guard of constantinople were viking, technically mercenaries. So there are many historical records of them moving plenty. They are also believed to have discovered the american continent before Columbus through the northern routes.
youre an idiot who thought you could control your jewish cousins
islam is a variation of zionism and is pro semitic and simply wants descendents of ishmael to rule instead of isaacs
The Iranian created the first linear Astrolab in the 13th century. Pic rel is ours from the 9th century. And it predates that even.
You don't even know the history of your own country. India was called Hindustan at the time. He called the natives en dio(indio) because it meant people of God.
YOU TAP THE THING ON THE IPAD AND IT GOES
We still call the hindu people as Hindustani around here for some reason, must be a regional cultural thing left over
It said in English
descendant of iSHmael
Found the jew.
instead of isaac
I couldn’t care less of iSHmael or Isaac.
This is how I know you are BRAINWASHED by your zionists to hate Islam because of some stories 7000 years ago.
Wake up from your brain coma.
islamicspain.tv
Stop hating mindlessly. Read and gather knowledge. Then judge us. For now you are the international terrorist and jew slave not us.
What the fuck is your problem? This was a comfy boat thread.
The merit was not about Columbus but the Spanish tripulation (everyone except him).
The ships, expertise, money, etc were Spaniards from the Southwest and they already knew how to sail to different areas in the Mediterranean sea.
Columbus wanted to go back to Spain after some weeks but....one Spanish capitan told him to wait because he saw coastal birds. Just because of this (coastal birds) the discovery of America happened in 1492 and thanks to Spaniards.
By the way: Columbus was also a Spaniard from Valencia (and not a jew from Valencia as it is sold just because he happens to have the J haplogroup.
Ship* thread, ocean faring vessels are ships, Anon. Unless, you're talking about submarines, but Yakub hadn't invented those yet for the topic at hand.
Seething iPad baby. I imagine you can't read an analog clock either too?
It's called being white. You wouldn't understand.
shitskin hellhole of Morocco
superior civilization
Pick one, camel piss drinker.
The other mutt-jew started it by disrespecting my people.
Ever the victim.
camel pee drinker
Most of those studies suggested that the effectiveness of camel urine was because of the presence of trace elements that had anticancer activity
Hateful mutt I bless you too.
Even in latin he use uses the India and ganges.
Its irrelavant but indio being people of god does suite our reputation worldwide so even that is description of india not americans he just found
Hindu is Indu( india) with a H
The compasses they had were still difficult to use with repeatable accuracy on small ships in any kind of rough weather. and they did not have sextants in Columbus’ time. All of his existing charts are based on the Genoese inch.
land in America
call them Indians
lol, go whitey!
The Indian Ocean was named after Native Americans yes?
en.wikipedia.org
He beats Vasco de Gama by 100x.
The first one to circunnavigate the world (Magallanes died half time). 290 departured and just 20 arrived after 3 years.
The Magellan-Elcano expedition (1519 - 1522), which completed the first circumnavigation of the Earth, started with 5 ships (Trinidad, San Antonio, Concepción, Victoria and Santiago) along with 234 crewmen (some sources raise the number of sailors to 247.)[31] Although Elcano had departed Spain aboard the Concepción, the return voyage from the Moluccas to Seville was made by the single surviving ship, Victoria, captained by Elcano.[39] Having sailed under extreme conditions, only 21 people arrived in Seville, the 18 Europeans and 3 Moluccans.
To complete the round-the-world voyage, they had to sail 69,918 km (43,445 mi)[40] After three years of rough passages, most of the sailors had died. A few made it back alive, but 147 men lost their lives, three-fifths of those who had set sail from Seville.[41] This figure is a reflection of the number of unforeseen events, difficulties and vicissitudes they encountered during the voyage. Fifty-five of those who sailed on the return voyage were deserters coming from South America on the first part of the voyage aboard the San Antonio. They had not circumnavigated the world because they decided to retreat to the Strait of Magellan. Others who returned would spend some time in Asia or Cape Verde, although they later managed to get to Europe; thus they also could claim, once they disembarked in Spain, that they had sailed around the world. In other words, in addition to the 17 sailors who arrived in Seville along with Elcano, more sailors would sail around the world, albeit later, and not in the same vessels.
And let´s not forget these dudes that navigated a whole ocean like a small lake.
‘Ca’ as a suffix is ‘land of’. ‘America’ is ‘Land of Amer’. Amer (sometimes ‘Amur’) is the name of Quetzalcoatl.
You should stop saying stupidities and stop trying to compare your people (brown quadroons after centuries of mixing with subsaharan blacks and goats) with the 100% white berebers that "ruled" AlAndalus + visigothic concubines.
You are not them at all and morocco did absolutely nothing. Most of AlAndalus greatest minds were persians, syrians, pure berebers or even yemenies.
Nothing to do with "moors", so stop claiming that you are related to them.
amercian education kek.
america was called after amerigo vespucci.
Magellan was the true badass.
Wikipedia is not a valid source for anything.
only a retard believes the lie about indians being from india reason. we called them hindustan and early europeans called them indio which later turned into indian. but not when columbus went to america. the indian sea/ocean was considered massive and extended to the far side of world at the time. they believed these were indian sea inhabitants and called them indians for that. not for india. not for indian/hindustan street shitters. you can read the original latin letter announcing the discovery of new lands and outright stating this.