Alexander the Great was gay

Alexander the Great was gay.

Has 2 sons.

He was most likely bisexual, but they wouldn't have had a word for that at the time and someone of his status could pretty much do whatever he wanted anyway.

people lie, a lot. most often to themselves.
they spend a lot of time talking to say nothing at all, to themselves and those around them.

He was not gay.
Next.

Lost to Tamil bvll

This.

He lost to alcoholism.

He was most likely bisexual

which you base on what evidence

no he wasnt there is an existing record of some foreign king offering alexander the great some male sex slaves and he responds in a scathing letter that basically says what evil have i dont in your eyes that would make you think i would want a "gift" like this!?

dont

done

Nobody was gay in the modern sense back then. Fucking twinks was really common but that was basically something on the side while still marrying and having kids. Sometimes you'd love them like Alexander or Hadrian did theirs but I doubt that was common since Greeks and especially Romans disrespected bottoms a lot. Their whole way of thinking about sex was active/passive not gay/straight, if you were penetrating that was good and if something was going into you that was shameful.

For any appreciable number of people who like fucking men to do nothing but that you need a society with a much bigger surplus than existed back then. Normies needed to pump out 20 kids since half of them died early and you need a lot of labor on a farm. Aristocracy needed heirs. Homosexuality in a modern sense is kind of a luxury thing.

the greeks were superstraight, kike

yes my only exposure to the subject was a video by a zoomer youtuber, how could you tell?

High IQ post.

i referenced a real historical correspondence of alexander the great to show he was appalled at being offered homosexual sex slaves by a forign king. you seem upset

You didn't reference anything actually. Go to community college or something if you want to learn what that word means.

im trying to find it i believe it was philoxenus who offered him sex slaves and the modern cope with how disgusted he responded is that "he just really hated slavery"

Persians and most other semites were historically entrenched in homosexual activity. It's not surprising Alexander would be offered young boys by the people he conquered. He was probably offered a great many things.

Gay people just want something to latch on to, to feel validated about their gross fetish.

hey look at this historical figure! he was GAAAAAY like me!

Kinda sad people still refuse to accept their mental illness for what it is.

its complete cope he was well known for fucking "local's" the entire he was gay shtick is from a few lines saying he invited some of his general's to share his bedchamber with him

and the well known practise of the homo shit of the time

its also well known he drank alot its not unthinkable that he would drink late into the night with his generals

noo hes gay

took hundreds of "princeses" as companions....

Persians and most other semites were historically entrenched in homosexual activity

Yeah which is how the Greeks picked it up according to Herodotus. I never said Persians weren't faggier but if you don't think the Greeks were doing gay shit it just proves you don't read them because they wrote about it openly.

brotha im on your side i am saying there is an EXISTING correspondance of alexander being offered gay sex slaves and responding disgusted saying essentially "why in the FUCK did you think i would want that" im getting closer to hunting it down

heres a quote from it directly from alexander

"he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer"

its from the John Dryden translated Plutarchs Lives

Gay people just want something to latch on to

Also yes this is definitely the case for a lot of gay historians, there are people like Boswell who wildly misrepresent shit because they are desperate for validation and approaching history from that perspective. But it's not why people saying the Greeks weren't a bit zesty bothers me. That bothers me because it is you imposing your modern morality and political vision onto the past instead of approaching it with no preconceptions and taking it as is. Like I said here they were not gay in the modern sense so historians who just want representation for the modern gay community won't get far if they're honest. But neither will people who want Greeks to conform to 21st century American right wing ideas of what's based and degenerate. Both of you are butchering history in service of modern politics.

And it's also very annoying because it's just so impossible to read the Greeks widely without running into mentions of homosexuality so this proves that despite all the bluster about Western heritage and the glory of Rome most of you idiots don't actually care enough to read them.

Exception being the anons reading Plutarch and if that is true then fair enough, I'll have to check it.

yeah I've read the same quote, Alexander was encountering people who had made their homosexuality a tradition, but it was not his own people's tradition and this is where gays diverge from reality.

wrote openly about it

This is your own misinterpretation, inferring your own agenda into historical context where there is none. It's something gays have always done; besmirch others in an attempt to validate themselves. Gays have always been a bitter, seething and vitriolic toxic group that hate straight white strong figures. Perhaps you could tell us why, though we already know the truth.

I don't have an agenda. I don't need to see myself or my political and moral beliefs in the past to find it interesting. In fact it's the exact opposite that I find interesting about the past, the way people often thought and acted in ways which are very alien to us.

yeah I've read the same quote, Alexander was encountering people who had made their homosexuality a tradition, but it was not his own people's tradition and this is where gays diverge from reality.

i am on your side understand what ive been saying from the beginning, the man i responded to said alexander was at least "bi" i said there is a letter where alexander reacts with revulsion at being offered gay sex servants and responds with scorn what have i EVER done that would make you think i want this

do you understand? im saying there is historical proof alexander the great was not gay, thas it mane

I dont have an agenda

"you idiots"

persists in attempting to color Alexander as a pederast

looks for history's most visible and honored heroes and tries to slander them, even warping historical accounts with the determination to make Alexander gay

yeah ok, no agenda there, just you being a jilted loon

oh course there's proof he was not gay, this other fella, like all warped gays, wants strong white males to BE GAY. you will always find some loud seething faggot making false claims like this.

false: jerking each other off

true: keeping each other warm

clearly shows gay softcore sex

kek. your joking right?

cool cool, feel free to use that letter from alexander to show that at least his attitude about homosexuality was scorn. the old testaments prohibition of the practice of homosexual sodomy shows its always been a condemnable element of society, that behavior being an acceptable lifestyle option is an entirely modern kike idea

What a pretentious fat fucking YANK lmao

you idiots

Yeah I don't respect people without a serious education and I don't respect people who get their idea of subjects like history from memes, what they wish was true, and vibes. Most people are fucking idiots who have no business anywhere near a pen or keyboard, let alone a voting booth. I wasn't limiting that to the right, you just happen to be one of a certain breed of idiot.

persists in attempting to color Alexander as a pederast

I wasn't in fact, I even said I'd have to check the Plutarch post. I've been talking about Greek homosexuality more generally.

They did not have a concept for being explicitly gay. They just did their thing. Back then if someone was being an annoying faggot, they probably got killed discretely in an alley and quickly forgotten about. It would be so simple. Modern law enforcement is what protects this cancerous degeneracy and criminal hoodlums too.

He was very sad when Hephaestion died.

there is nothing wrong with teen boys having sex with men

I have two gay friends and they both had sex with women.
They were curious what it's like but didn't enjoy it.

If you're a King you try to make successors, no matter how gay you are.
Get some boys in the bedroom with you and your wife if you want.

Try to stick to the point I was making then, you moron.

you didnt have one you threw an ad hom at someone for being objectively right about the OP post and i pointed out well hes right and gave you the historical source. and you coped by saying "i never said he was wrong" BORING NEXT

Not my problem

being a fugly untouchable kike is your problem.

was gay

had gay sons who couldn't maintain what their father had built for one single generation

You can't just beilive written text. Anything written wether satire or straight up lies could've been preserved or lost in translation.

>was gay

"When Philosexus, his lieutenant on the sea coast, wrote him to know if he would buy two young boys of great beauty, whom one Theodourus, a Tarentine, had to sell, he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediatley wrote him a sharp lettter telling him that Theodours and his merchandise might go with his goodwill to destruction. Nor was he less severe to Hagnon, who sent him word that he would buy him a Corinthian youth named Crobylus, as a present for him."

John Dryden translated Plutarch's Lives

He was most likely bisexual

Post nose

t. Fat ass American

He obviously was not gay, that something made up by homosexual classical scholars because they can't read an expression of love for ones most loyal comrades without imagining the most vile homosexual acts because that is the sort of thing they do themselves.

we need them breeding.

to make MORE gays with which to infest this already horrible fagged up earth

pray that the mass sterilization campaign was not in vain

t. Fat ass American

do you want to talk about alexander the great or politics or just keep insulting people baselessly like the kike liar you are

Men can give birth to children bigot

Greeks invented gay twink sex

hellenistic greeks

not gay

Back in his day there was just sex without distinction between straight or homo. People were just fucking.

He was macedonian.

kikes are illiterate perverts and see history through that lens by their very nature

When Philosexus, his lieutenant on the sea coast, wrote him to know if he would buy two young boys of great beauty, whom one Theodourus, a Tarentine, had to sell, he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediatley wrote him a sharp lettter telling him that Theodours and his merchandise might go with his goodwill to destruction. Nor was he less severe to Hagnon, who sent him word that he would buy him a Corinthian youth named Crobylus, as a present for him.

John Dryden translated Plutarch's Lives

he was gay until he wasn't chuddo, now gimmie dat sweet ass, greeks were mega gay therefore I am allowed to fuck boy ass, also it's natural, animals do it also!

animals do it too!

debase humans for the sake of gay sex

should we kill you like an animal too?

i think it was satire the only thing that would make me believe he might be sincere is his flag but i think thats part of the ruse my friend. i laughed anyway

a man so great he could impregnate a bussy

Fags like to claim everyone that was famous or smort is a fag like they are. Many such cases

Fags like to claim everyone that was famous or smort is a fag like they are

Yep. And when you deny them that it's like you denied their entire existence. Palpable seethe. I've witnessed it in person. Fags are bitter miserable retards.

Did they even have a word for gay? I've seen some ancient "graffiti" calling people assfuckers or anallovers and similar things, only in regard to people who have gay sex rather than who are attracted to men.

Greeks called faggots "gapers" and most greek city states for most of ancient greek history had the death penalty for fags.

youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E

Kek, gay men have and will have more children than anyone on Anon Babble. They will fuck anything and used to be driven to succeed against their secrets. NuGay may be different but zoomers are different anyways, and mostly useless.

we are reaching levels of kike faggot cope i didnt even believe were possible, alexanders children are not the only evidence he was not just not a homosexual he reacted with revulsion at the idea of even being considered homosexual

When Philosexus, his lieutenant on the sea coast, wrote him to know if he would buy two young boys of great beauty, whom one Theodourus, a Tarentine, had to sell, he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediatley wrote him a sharp lettter telling him that Theodours and his merchandise might go with his goodwill to destruction. Nor was he less severe to Hagnon, who sent him word that he would buy him a Corinthian youth named Crobylus, as a present for him.

John Dryden translated Plutarch's Lives

Kek it was a matter of time

hour long video on gay sex

spend decades poisoning the well and pretending greeks were assmunchers

WHY DID YOU MAKE A VIDEO LONGER THAN 5 MINUTES EXPLAINING WHY IM WRONG???

Alexander the Great was gay

And by his standard you would be considered below a slave.

That's not Alexander. Alexander is the guy to his left whose face has been vandalized in that painting

Nobody was gay in the modern sense back then.

Antinious was turbogay, even knocking back a marriage. Not that he had any reason to marry.

And I refuse to believe Hadrian was named Greekling for his efforts in hellenising rome. It was definitely because of the sheer amount of buggery he was committing.

Antinous died at 19 so you can't really say what he would've done.

In general, even people who were exclusively or mostly attracted to men would've married and had gay sex on the side. There are material reasons for that. And even if we have proof of male/male sex and sometimes male/male love, which we do, that is not the same as someone "being gay". That's you projecting a very modern idea back onto the past. Gay as a category and sexual orientation as a concept didn't really exist until 19th century psychology, not in a clear or coherently way at least. Much more often before the 19th century homosexuality was seen as an action unconnected to any kind of orienting, inalterable sexual essence in the individual engaging in it. You get medieval moralists writing against sodomy all the time in ways which clearly assume that this is something anyone (sometimes even the moralist writer) could engage in. It's disconnected from any theory about a specific psychological type in other words.

If you went back in time and asked Hadrian and Antinous about their sexuality you would not get answers that sound familiar to the ones you'd get from a modern gay couple, the Romans just thought about sex, the self, relationships and sexuality too differently. It's one of the big limits of the history as representation approach. You can find sort of kind of matches but you're never going to find a culture or individual from that far back who's going to be wholly recognizable.

He wasn't gay because he wasn't fucked in the ass. He fucked guys in the ass to show dominance. That's not gay.

Also this when it comes to Antinous, Hadrian and Antinous literally would not have been seen as the same kind of person by Roman sexual norms. Clearly they cared about each other but they were not equal and Roman culture would very much not have seen them as equal or respected Antinous. Bottoming was something to mock, consider shameful, and use as an insult. Caeasar's enemies slandered him as a bottom for the king of Bithynia for instance, whenever you read about a powerful person bottoming in a Roman text you have to be a little skeptical for that reason lol. So on that level too the thinking and dynamics would've totally different than "being gay".

gayreeks and romans were fags
germanics were the superior human beings, drowning fags in swamps

Fuck Joe Rogan

Seethe, nigger of Europe

The only thing that image confirms to me is that jews were in ancient greece.

You're thinking of the Irish

guy shows his erection to his buddy when they're talking about girls

Uhm you anons know its still gay to get a boner with your mate right? No matter the context

the jews allege he was

sounds like jewish projection
source is probably that jew josephus, who was a renowned propagandist that used the khazar psyop tactic where he claims famous people were all friendly with and recognized jews and their fake jew god, made sacrifices to their god, claimed relations to jews, acknowledged their fake and gay post-alexandrian attempts at grabbing land aka the torah, etc

my gay uncle Kevin, has 3 sons and a daughter. you'd swear that my cousin Geneviève was the man out of them since she looks like john madden and her husband looks like john goodman. both nice white people with kids. the rest look like diseased Chiquita banana dancers.

I think gennie wasnt kevins since shes 6 inches taller than him and brock lesner looking.

its not just that alexander had kids plutarch records him being openely scornful of homosexuals which ive pointed out and by rights should be /thread

>When Philosexus, his lieutenant on the sea coast, wrote him to know if he would buy two young boys of great beauty, whom one Theodourus, a Tarentine, had to sell, he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediatley wrote him a sharp lettter telling him that Theodours and his merchandise might go with his goodwill to destruction. Nor was he less severe to Hagnon, who sent him word that he would buy him a Corinthian youth named Crobylus, as a present for him.

>

>John Dryden translated Plutarch's Lives

What do you call a gay man with a male child?

Dickinson

as a side note MOST sources record him having blond to reddish hair and blue eyes while one later source much later records him having one blue eye and one brown eye

Actually Simon Bar Kohba, King David, King Solomon, Maimonaides, Yitzak Sadeh and the Maccabees were all homosexuals and pedophiles. I've done the historical research into great men of jewish history and uncovered slander on all these groups that kikes look up to. They may have done great things but they also got fucked in the ass and ate cum.

Christians glommed onto the Greek word agape which means love or affection. I suppose its pronounced a-gah-pee but I read it like if someones asshole were agape. Agape Church is a great name.

It's pronounced a-GAH-pee with the ''g'' sounding like a french ''r''.

all these retards saying there was no appellation for "bisexual" in Ancient Macedonian

literally doesn't matter, you can still determine a person's sexuality regardless of whether their language has a word for it. Ancient Macedonians were obviously cognizant of the concept of bisexuality, it is an extremely simple and conspicuous concept

You know gays are perverts and can have sex with women right?

i don't respect people without dei goy degree

Nigger.

whenever i DM my homies kisses i often think if some future historian might misinterpret that brotherly love for fagotry.

t fags

Cope -the meme
Lmao

tfw you realize that all women are dull mindless whores who will never be able to understand your inner most thoughts like a man can

can facts really be gay?

DM my homies kisses

Γκρίντζι

People like kike "historians"
"Everyone was gay" is revisionism by the usual crowd

disgusting remarks driven by homosexuality

If anyone has ever done anything so vile it would most likely give the woman so severe an internal infection that she would die or be rendered infertile and useless. You people should be thrown in the sea, best all round even for you.

Fag cope.
Fags say every historical figure was gay. Have no evidence.

Faggot.
Also faggot

It has no formal existence in the Homeric epics, and may have developed in the late 7th century BC

Pederasty was both idealized and criticized in ancient literature and philosophy.

So at some point, well after the golden age of Greek civilization, some people degenerated into gays while the majority criticized them for it.
Sounds like what the history books will say about America.

memeflag

Gay guys have measurably higher IQs

Objectively false and no surprise coming from someone afraid to show flag.

No more low intelligence action than sticking your dick in or eating shit. Or semen for that matter as they will burrow into your brain and alter your (ruined) personality.

Kill yourself right now. It is for your own good.

I have two gay friends and they both had sex with women

Those poor women. I hope they didn't catch anything.

They had words for faggotry, kike, and they were all negative.
youtube.com/watch?v=9G5pDs40iiU

There were early examples of it actually happening and being institutionalized. A lot of evidence from Sparta and Athens, some Ionian city where boys were ritually kidnapped and "wed" when they came of age, Herodotus and Plato both write about it (Plato very positively in Symposium and then negatively but probably for different reasons than you dislike it in The Laws). The Band of Thebes legend is pretty early. But I am definitely not someone who thinks you can argue that it's present in Homer. We don't really know much about what Greek society at Homer's time was actually like so whether and to what extent it was going on outside literature and how it was viewed if so will probably be a mystery forever but Achilles and Patroclus were probably just intended to be friends imo. Although later "gay" lovers even in ancient Greece did imagine them as lovers so it is not the case that this was made up by le Jews in the 1960s or something.

both idealized and criticized

This also is true, anyone saying it was universally accepted is lying or ignorant. It varied by state to state, time to time and writer to writer and some writers like Plato changed their minds about it. But even when they did write against it it wasn't always for the reasons you would think. Tacitus considered it decadent but not because it was evil or degenerate per se but because he saw it as soft, luxurious and eastern. He also disliked gambling and a ton of different clothes and foods for the same reason.

even a gay king or emperor understands how important it is to have heirs

Alexander was gay only according to your kiked closed pedophilic country.

You should be in prison for this post.
I don't think it's legal for me to call you a faggot and tell you to kill yourself, sending yourself down to the bottomless pit of abraham's bosom with your eastern descended ancestral relatives, so I won't say that at all. Sort yourself out.

It's true like it or not. And let's be real. You like it a lot.

God's law is superior to human law. Christ is king. You should be publicly hanged with people pointing and laughing and God-willing one day will be.

You should still kill yourself.

2024

being a christfag

So why do you keep heaping coals onto your own head? Lost souls are so funny. I wish you nothing but the best. If you have such an evilly sperg-y response to someone saying a basic true fact you must be really pleasant to be around for the few people who still tolerate you.

faggot's kneejerk response is attempting to groom people

Many such cases

He wasn't fucking gay you idiot, hollywood isn't reality

Post your source. He's also noted that he had a gay lover.

i posted my source several times in the thread

>>When Philosexus, his lieutenant on the sea coast, wrote him to know if he would buy two young boys of great beauty, whom one Theodourus, a Tarentine, had to sell, he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediatley wrote him a sharp lettter telling him that Theodours and his merchandise might go with his goodwill to destruction. Nor was he less severe to Hagnon, who sent him word that he would buy him a Corinthian youth named Crobylus, as a present for him.

>>

>>John Dryden translated Plutarch's Lives

that line on the bottom is the source plutarchs lives, as translated by john dryden now where is your source for his gay lover?

That doesn't mean he's not gay, he just told someone to go fuck themselves.

That doesn't mean he's not gay, he just told someone to go fuck themselves.

he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediatley wrote him a sharp lettter telling him that Theodours and his merchandise might go with his goodwill to destruction.

you are genuinely stupid and also gay

now where is your source for his gay lover?

That doesn't mean he's not gay, he just told someone to go fuck themselves.

he cant find it!

The concept of gay didnt exist.
Thats projecting modern into past. His dad lobed little boys, as did he.
And if you read primary sources he is describe as a total femboy lol, maybe even a girl pretending to be a man which would explain a lot, and wouldnt put it past olympia doing that, but prob a girly man.
Dude are you retarded? Most gays in history had kids, they had no choice.

whats a beard

Like, holy shit anon.

the only concrete information we have about his views on homosexuality are recorded in plutarch and its amazing we even have that, and hes decidedly against homosexuality

>>>When Philosexus, his lieutenant on the sea coast, wrote him to know if he would buy two young boys of great beauty, whom one Theodourus, a Tarentine, had to sell, he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediatley wrote him a sharp lettter telling him that Theodours and his merchandise might go with his goodwill to destruction. Nor was he less severe to Hagnon, who sent him word that he would buy him a Corinthian youth named Crobylus, as a present for him.

>>>

>>>John Dryden translated Plutarch's Lives

Your lore isnt truth. "Evil" lol, it was perfectly normal and expected to have same sex lovers
His had a lot, was killed by 1 of them after he failed to defend his lovers honour. (He was gang raped and philip did nothing about it due to politics, so he got stabbed for being a pussy)
Read primary sources, not christianized and historical revised versions where other moral standards are forced into the past.
Thats how it was in most of the world until kikery, gay was fine, most ppl were bi and itd accepted no one cared.

Your lore isnt truth

its not my lore its recorded in plutarch>>>>>When Philosexus, his lieutenant on the sea coast, wrote him to know if he would buy two young boys of great beauty, whom one Theodourus, a Tarentine, had to sell, he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediatley wrote him a sharp lettter telling him that Theodours and his merchandise might go with his goodwill to destruction. Nor was he less severe to Hagnon, who sent him word that he would buy him a Corinthian youth named Crobylus, as a present for him.

>>>>

>>>>John Dryden translated Plutarch's Lives

Rationalization and mostly untrue.
Like this yes
Modern people throwing their taboos into the past is just sad

Modern people throwing their taboos into the past is just sad

homosexuality was always taboo>When Philosexus, his lieutenant on the sea coast, wrote him to know if he would buy two young boys of great beauty, whom one Theodourus, a Tarentine, had to sell, he was so offended that he often expostulated with his friends what baseness Philosexus had ever observed him in that he should ever presume to make him such a reproachful offer. And he immediatley wrote him a sharp lettter telling him that Theodours and his merchandise might go with his goodwill to destruction. Nor was he less severe to Hagnon, who sent him word that he would buy him a Corinthian youth named Crobylus, as a present for him.

>>>>>

>>>>>John Dryden translated Plutarch's Lives

he was noted by historians for being fiercely loyal to his wives besides not being okay with the gay he was an interesting guy

Do you not recognize propaganda? Did you take the vaxx and get a pfizer tatoo?

plutarch

400 years after the facf

christianized person trying to wash history due to his new religion and protect his great hero figure from that sin

Again, primary sources.
Stop injecting abrahamic sensitivities into historical figures that lived long before them.
The same reason the icelandic sagas are full of christian shit and twist the nordic legends away from truth, he injects a ton pf christian thinking and understanding into them, saying shit that didnt happen and twisting things that did.
Primary sources or gtfo.
Alexanders dad, and makedonians in general, had boy lovers. He was killed by 1 even.

you provide no source for alexander being gay but will not accept plutarch and call it propaganda? my man what special hidden sources on alexander the greats life to you possess?

No, it was not. This is like taliban destroying statues and pretend nothing predated islam
What you are saying is, once more, christians revising the past to whitewash it.
You can have and be loyal to wifes and still fuck a guy or two on the side.
They were polygamous.

t. No friends

No it wasn’t

also you are dumb as hell for thinking that plutarch recording alexander the greats homophobia over a thousand years ago is the propaganda comparable to the vax while being blind to the kike homosexual propaganda i was ALIVE when homosexuality started being pushed as an acceptable lifestyle this happened in OUR lifetimes, again you provide zero sources of your own. the best information we have about alexander the great shows more proof that he wasnt gay than you would expect from MOST historic leaders its a miracle we have what we do have he lived thousands of years ago

You can have and be loyal to wifes and still fuck a guy or two on the side.

They were polygamous.

no you cant, alexander was NOTED especially for his loyalty to his wives. he would not even take female lovers and plutarch records his reaction to being offered male lovers which you refuse to accept

Bro, spamming a quote from fucking Plutarch isn’t the intellectual flex that you think it is. Not a fag, but also not the biggest fan of people taking Plutarch for his word when he actively provided cover and erased certain elements of history which would have pushed the populace into thinking a certain way about figures like Alexander. He was a sensationalist, same as those whom kept records on the Macedonian royal circle.

Bro, spamming a quote from fucking Plutarch isn’t the intellectual flex that you think it is.

what an idiotic way to describe providing the ONLY source for the topic of the thread while you present none of your own

Primary sources my man.
Aristotle is contemporary, unlike plutarch, and untainted by christianity, unlike plutarch.
His culture, and his own father, was normal to have male lovers
What makes you think he didnt?
Magic? Apple does not fall far from the tree, culture shapes a person.
Or he magically transcended his own upbringing and adopted the morality of a religion that didnt even exist for centuries suddenly?
Use your brain, and stop taking boosters, no matter how safe and effective they say it is. Recognize propaganda, and recognize revisionism, and learn to extrapolate, holy shit.

He did actually. The word “reference” doesn’t require a link for you, loser. If you’re going to play semantics you need to be right

Only gayreeks south of macedonia were gay just like today

Primary sources my man.

Aristotle is contemporary, unlike plutarch, and untainted by christianity, unlike plutarch.

well what did aristotle say on the matter of alexanders sexuality? NOTHING? you have provided no source

side note did anyone see me in the "why is it wrong to be gay" threads yesterday talking about how homosexuality introduces the commerce of sex into same sex relationships and so ruins brotherly love? i said its so bad that societies that allow homosexual sodomy go back and retroactively make famous male friends gay such as david and jonathan or achilles and patrokolos? i feel like this thread only proves my point

Its comparable yes, especially to current lockdowns didnt happen campaign.

pushed

It was always there, people just got tired of hidding.
And it wasnt allowed due to abrahamic religons, once they started losing power in legislation, people naturally decided to fight for their rights.
You arent as smart as you think

Alexander the Great was

fell in love with Roxanne at first sight, it was a lightning strike

It was always there, people just got tired of hidding.

at what point will you accept that propaganda has an effect on adolescent sexual development? when we are a quarter gay? oh for all history one quarter of people were gay just too afraid to come out, when we are fifty percent homosexual per capita? 100 percent?

at what point does it strain your incredulity?

He didn't mention Plutarch by name until after I asked him for a source

400 years after the fact and christianized man whitewashing important historical figures.
This is getting tiresome
Did you know i was best buds with hitler and stalin personally? They both shown me their letters commenting how much (you) love to guzzle horse cum, i was shocked, but hey, i could never lie about it and their letters are real!

true but referencing something and providing a citation are two different things when i provided you with the source did you change your view or did you go on insisting that alexander was gay waiting for someone like the "plutarch is propaganda" idiot to provide you some cope

400 years after the fact and christianized man whitewashing important historical figures.

you have provided NO source to the contrary so until you do thats the best most relevant source we have on alexander the greats attitudes towards homosexuality, plutarch is one of the most accepted and cited sources on greek history

Aaand you got there, just didnt realize.
People dont record the norm, the obvious, what everyone knows and expects.
People record the outliers.
There is no comment on alexanders sexuality because it was the normal type at the time.
Again, holy shit, learn to use your brain.

side note did anyone see me in the "why is it wrong to be gay" threads yesterday

Anon... you have no tripfag, your id is for this thread only and isnt memorable.
How in fuck do you think anyone recognizes or remembers 1 poster among 10s of thousands on 100s of threads without identifiers or any memorable relevant shit?
You are under 80iq arent you...?

and more historians besides plutarch record him being sexually continent and loyal to his wives because he was so much that way it stood out. plutarch btw was not even a christian but a platonist, again until you provide a better source stating the contrary your kike ass is just guessing

people recognize me here all the time unironically im the one guy maybe thats true of

Social contagion exists, sure. Most people self correct after teens if its not for them, literally 0 harm.
Who cared what people do, who they love. Only closet fags are obsessed over it, sour that everyone else is living their lives while they are miserable in denial.
Is this you for any chance?

you are gonna burn faggot

Test

And yet you’re spamming one continuous source as opposed to providing multiple sources to back your connect. It’s obvious you haven’t read much or any of Plutarch, or you’d know that Dryden’s translations were often found to be florid and full of outright misinterpretations. I’ll source James Romm’s Ghost on the Throne, wherein Romm posits that Alexander may have been much more ambivalent about his sexuality and may not have been as keen to discussing the particulars of such.

And yet you’re spamming one continuous source as opposed to providing multiple sources to back your connect.

one is better than none faggot

did you change your view or did you go on insisting that alexander was gay

Reread the thread and find out for yourself moron.

Exception being the anons reading Plutarch and if that is true then fair enough, I'll have to check it.

I didn't even say outright that Alexander was gay either, I was talking about Greek homosexuality in general terms. Alexander specifically I am not super familiar with the arguments for and against.

Been on chans since 2005, pol since 2011, can say ive ever seen you. You might be inflating your sense of importance
The again im not obsessed over gays or threads seething about them so might have missed your normal dwelling, ill grant that you might be recognized time to time, even if it sounds like bs to me

look real talk i might have been too harsh on you, you are so reasonable that im convinced you are saying what you say in earnest and are not a kike shill. gay or straight i wish you the best

Most jews are gay, thank you Captain Obvious

Filthy jews

most likely bisexual

based on what anon?

evidence shows he had male friends

Burn? Where exactly, do you have the gift of prophecy now too? Damn, hitler was right, you do guzzle cum by the bucket
Also im not gay, i just loathe brainlets that make it their existence and try to inject it into the past

Been on chans since 2005, pol since 2011, can say ive ever seen you. You might be inflating your sense of importance

ive been recognized and talked to by my name literally within the last hours, i dont really care about being famous there are better ways to do it than this, but i had put some variation of that post in around three threads about homosexuality that all popped up yesterday and figured i might as well ask if people saw it because this thread today proves my point

Modern day faggot archeologists need to make every historical figure of significance a fag based on the flimsiest interpretations of bullshit, in order to justify the acceptance and normalization of rampant faggotry in the modern world.

Also im not gay, i just loathe brainlets that make it their existence and try to inject it into the past

you know im arguing that alexander was not gay and the ancient greeks less gay than they are made out in modernity due to gays projecting that shit into the past right?

Homosexual relationships between 2 adult men were looked down upon, especially if they were unmarried, and even punished by death in many Ancient Greek societies.

Perfectly straight man, dipshit. I just don’t have the patience for posers who treat history like movie buffs treat film. I’m sourcing Romm despite not having the text on hand to quote 1:1.

well when you manage to find it copy paste the text into the thread so we can all consider it together as ive done

A source that has clear conflicts of interest centuries after the fact.
Anon, its as legit as me knowing hitler personally despite being only 50 years detached. I have a bigger claim as a source on hitler than fucking plutarch translated by someone millenia after injecting their own morality has.

Sure you have

you have no COUNTER source, no source on the topic more contemporary so it is the best most relevant source on the matter unless you know something i dont in which case post it

im jacob anthony mcqueen i get recognized every fucking day i dont care if youve heard of me

They tried saying Romans were gay and proud of it. Until unearthed ancient graffiti calling people useless fags was discovered.

My uncle is a faggot and had 3 kids before divorcing the woman and running off with some other faggot

Except we have plenty of evidence they didnt care about it much and was later injected and altered by christianity.
We are gay as fuck today and even we dont paint our utensils with images of men fucking men.
Sometimes truth is self evident, removing propaganda even if done with an agenda is still truer than what is being removed.
Again, apples falling from tree, his dad and his companions all had boy lovers, why in fucking hell would he be different and have moral values and concepts from a religion that didnt even exist
Brain, use it.

you have 2 sons

you are documented to have found it insulting and disgusting when a boy sex slave was offered to you

you had a bro for life you've entrusted with your back since youth

fought countless battles side by side, none you trust more him

he dies in battle

use your massive emperor power to hold a grand funeral to your most trusted brother in arms

the global faggot agenda calls you a faggot a icon because god forbid men will forge bonds with each other that aren't sexual

heres a screenshot of me being recognized on Anon Babble even though i dont use it from the sheer volume of antichrist threads the mods have to YEET to bant because my arguments are too harmful for the big stage

yeah i screenshotted it! it made me feel warm and fuzzy ok!

Literally who
For someome who doesnt care you sure seem to
And im Richard Pallavicini, nice to meet you.
You are still not using your brain

provide a primary source showing alexander was gay or even bi or shut up, until then plutarch is the best most contemporary source we have on the matter and you are just guessing

Ah ok so you are autistic who spams antichrist threads constantly thus some people recognize you time to time
What truths, now im curious.
Who is the antichrist according to jacob anthony mcqueen

the kikes are antichrist the mark is the star of david (no such star)

Im tired of telling you the obvious.
A known liar and exagerator isnt a great source. Especially when there is a clear christian agenda.

A known liar and exagerator isnt a great source

you have provided no sources to the contrary, its what we got. and its PLUTARCH for fucks sake

he was bi. once you've fucked so many pussies, you want the power over another man at some point.

Especially when there is a clear christian agenda

plutarch was a platonist and stoic he was not a christian

The fucking hubris. You living and dying on one quote from Plutarch, translated from a reformed Catholic poet, says more about your inherent need to be “right” over being informed. This entire discussion is ultimately redundant. Just say that you need Alexander to be straight, just say that you need it to confirm your biases. Most gay historians I know could give less of a shit about his sexuality, or Alexander himself, but then again you strike me more as an armchair history buff than a true blue academic.

Suppose he was straight. Who cares? Big deal. Personally, as a gay man I am responsible for my own success.

what else should i go by? youve provided no sources whatsoever to the contrary should i just take you at your word alexander the great was a fag?

Oh ok, thats a ... it dull but sure.
How can an older religion be the counter of a heresy of it? Wouldnt islam make more sense to be the antichrist? They were created and modelled after christianity in a way, but twisted.
Or are you one of those that says christianity is older and white people are the real jews?
Just asking, not fighting, i have very little interest in desert religons overall, no stake in this game

the muslims revere christ, they downplay his importance and there are a few verses in the quran that really denounce him but largely they revere christ and hes to slay the antichrist at a church in tyr according to their legend, modern rabbinical judaism is not the older religion and the talmud is essentially a group of about 20 or so bible length books of pil pul for why they do not as abraham did, while jesus explanation is far truer and more succinct, because they are not of abraham lol.

It's unlikely that they practiced homosexuality from a logical point of view.
Given birthrights, tribal strength is the bases of power back then.
Aka how many offspring you have, high morality rates. Polyamory is actually more likely. Given the length of time people lived it just makes the case of homosexuality being widespread even more absurd

and yes im one of the biggest proponents for christian identity on the board because ive read the bible and understood it, i appreciate that we seem to be settling into a more respectful mode of conversation i respect that

No he WAS gay.

Have you ever read the ancient texts?

well no, but Oliver Stone told me he was,OK?

And you have yet to back your shit with anything more than a snippet from Plutarch, provided without context. Why should I do the work if you’re just pulling a Ben Shapiro? I mentioned Romm, you rejected it because it’s not a direct quote. You fucking debate monkeys have one tactic, dispute evidence by latching onto one out of context quote. You’re not a historian and I can almost guarantee that you’re pulling this one specific quote from a fucking YouTube video.

again one plutarch citation is infinitely more than zero

wait what they will say about today's mondial population in 2000 years since we live in an era that produces the most homosexual books, photos, art and pornography.

I mentioned Romm, you rejected it because it’s not a direct quote.

i did no such thing but instead i asked you to put the quote in the text field and post it so we could all consider it together as i did for the plutarch quote many times

Jews say every great white man was gay. They are full of shit. They know the Greeks are kinda the father of western civ. So Jews say hey, your ancestors were all gay and fucked kids, so you should let us fuck your kids!

It's unlikely that they practiced homosexuality from a logical point of view.

Moreover, though very rarely is female love not mentioned in a matter that is derisive, in philosophy, the concept of love is coupled with something that is viscerally anti-pleasure and anti-sex; it is extremely unlikely that the Greeks rationalized homosexual pleasure-oriented relationships. Indeed, Plato and Socrates go to great lengths to explain to impart upon the reader the soul-rotting effects of pleasure-seeking/hedonism again and again often in the same dialogues where they say thing that Tumblr interprets as faggotry. It is very unlikely, if we are to couple a relationship with virtue, that they were speaking of something that admitted anything erotic.

Yep everyone is history that was straight was actually gay. Especially anyone that ever did something the jews didn't like.

its insane how quickly just passing through guys shit gets deleted when there will be BBC porn as the OP image of threads that get left up for hours. its actually baffiling considering how comparably innocuous it is. anyway im gonna bounce it was unexpectedly nice discussing this with some of you

Moses was gay