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Here is the sunset featured in this main image that was released I think it’s like the cover to one edition of final fantasy 15. There is blue in the clouds, but the blue is basically the royal line of Lucis in their astral forms.
Also there’s not much color, ff15 doesn’t really use a lot of bold vivid colors compared to past iterations of the series the sunset here is really toned down.
Also I find it interesting the villains in the game usually possess the color red in some way to some extent. This is an interesting contrast. At first though, this symbolism seems to point a picture that is pretty cut and dry by going by its symbolism but actually might be more complicated then it initially leads on
Actually upon further inspection, I think
That’s the point of the sunset here, it’s being covered/blocked by clouds which feature the ring of luci royal line on them
But the sunset itself, I noticed the sun is all the way to the end of the image in the left and the sun itself is very clear and bright, it looks like clear bright light. I think this is supposed to juxtaposition and contrast with the encroaching darkness as it is supposed to signify two polar extremes of only light and darkness and this summarizes the major plot points and themes of the story. Light and darkness.
Okay, I think the sunset is pretty important to kingdom hearts even though it’s never implicitly stated or pointed out.
I think the sunset has to do primarily with alienation, at least, there’s actually no correct word or term for what I want to describe, but it’s a real thing and I think it falls under the concept of alienation as defined primarily by Karl Marx, though it means more then simply being removed from your labor and the means of production. I haven’t really been able to find anyone to really talk to about it, but yet I have found basically confirmation about its existence through paintings, and video games and movies, but pretty much everything including music to an extent.
It might be intrinsically monumental or revolutionary to even point that out,
But it’s basically something you feel or you don’t feel.
I think it has also been featured as a concept in movies, video games and paintings too. Like it’s a real thing. Well, I guess that’s why it’s never been fully defined because it is in essence revolutionary.
But anyway the sunset can be quite drab,
but also quite colorful and full of feeling. The sunset is and has always been one of my favourite landscapes or times of day to be featured.
I think people often like reoccurring themes or motifs in their photos, well for me it would be the sunset, that’s my favorite motif.
Anyway, I think generally the sunset means or represents alienation, but it also represents a few other things. I think because it’s in between the day and the night I think it’s supposed to represent this duality, and serves to exist basically between what are distinctly separate and are linked to almost separate worlds.
The day and the night represent two different halves, and basically when the sunset is featured it’s basically like saying you’re in between both halves. It’s basically like a question that’s served, so do you want to stay there in between or do you want to cross over?
Final Fantasy as a series is basically considered kind of a deconstruction of Christianity in various entries in the series. The boss at the end of final fantasy 6 had you basically fighting Christianity itself as a whole.
It’s thought that Final Fantasy 15 is the most Christian themed out of the whole series, and while this seems to be true to an extent, I question if 15 is still not a deconstruction like the rest of the series, it seems to take Christianity and flop it on it’s head.
Ardyn the main antagonist is almost an inverse Jesus, he has this magical ability to heal people but instead of going well for him it turns out to be a curse in the end and he becomes the embodiment of the darkness I.e. Starscourge he was able to heal since he is able to absorb it itself it pollutes his body and makes him the embodiment of starscourge basically.
I think this is pretty similar to the story of Jesus at first but it’s an example of being sort of flipped on its head. I don’t think he’s outright meant to represent Jesus wholly but instead he’s simply inspired partly by some aspects of him his ability to heal and absorb the starscourge is obviously meant to be similar to Jesus.
I think in fact upon closer inspection I believe Ardyn is supposed to be like some type of Antichrist figure, except he doesn’t manage to accomplish nearly as much as the Antichrist is said to in the book of revelations. He’s not really a political figure or an orator, in fact I think as a villain Ardyn kind of falls flat and he doesn’t really do too much of anything which is sort of where ff15 fails I think.
But basically he just becomes the personification of darkness, but he’s not really actually evil, I think he’s intended to be empathetic a bit. He chooses to defy the Gods of this universe, as it says that in this universe fate is predestined you can’t deny fate and while there isn’t much to question that in the narrative I think the audience
I think there is intended to be some sort of cryptic question or riddle regarding the idea of fate in this universe that the audience is meant to question and think about.
The unchanging fate of Noctis and Ardyn are made as an example. It seems as though the main characters ultimately succumb to their predestined fate and roles but I feel like Final Fantasy is posing the question of if the Gods are defiable l but it leaves this question unanswerable in the plot.
Also I notice the main enemies possess the color red quite often throughout the story I’m not really quite sure what that means yet
Apparently Ardyn is a Chancellor for a brief period of time but it barely goes into detail regarding that
“Two thousand years ago Ardyn Lucis Caelum was bestowed a special power to fight Starscourge. He absorbed countless daemons to save his people, yet was rejected by the Crystal, then denounced by the Astrals and the Lucian Founder King (Ardyn's brother) as unclean. As his transition rendered him immortal, Ardyn would eventually take the surname of "Izunia" and vow to have his revenge on the Lucian and Tenebraen bloodlines as well as the Crystal and the gods”
So as you can see Ardyn is not really evil. I kind of see it like the Gods (the Astrals) (which are basically angels) are like the machines in the Matrix, where it’s basically impossible for regular humans to defeat them, they control what we know as “reality” to an extent, the main character basically makes a deal with them and in exchange they require a blood atonement/sacrifice
Ardyn attempts to defy the Astrals and thus what is defined as “fate” in the game, which is basically just what the crystals and Astrals predict/want to transpire.
It’s not very fair that Ardyn is basically just cast aside after trying to help his people and then told “healing people from starscourge actually turned you into starscourge itself” so the question is posed is Ardyn evil because of this? He becomes an actor in the story for his own means, but he still ends up serving a necessary purpose one in which the game doesn’t fully explore. He’s almost like Agent Smith in the Matrix. Well, it’s just sorta bad writing because it leaves a lot of unanswered questions. This image is supposed to be a form that the Astrals le (the summons) have taken which is basically angels hence I think they signify angels but I also think they signify other things
Ah here we go the face of Bahamut underneath his mask was detamimed thus revealing his true face in the game
And he looks just like the fallen angel painting by Alexandre Cabanel, his eyes at least are like identical, I had a theory and a hunch which might have turned out to be true but I kind of thought that bahamut was basically like Satan since he’s a giant dragon like what’s Christian about that?
My theory is that the Astrals in the game are actually sort of bad
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But I seem to be correct
“Final Fantasy XV -The Dawn of the Future-
When Noctis sleeps for ten years, he receives various memories from the Crystal, such as how it was first brought to Eos and a grand hall was built to house it. After Noctis returns to Insomnia, he cooperates with Ardyn to destroy Bahamut in both the physical and the heavenly realms after learning Bahamut views mankind as a disposable sacrifice. When Bahamut is killed, magic is also lost and the Astrals and the Crystal itself vanish. Before shattering, the Crystal—apparently of its own will—absorbs all remnants of the Scourge, cleansing Eos.”
This was an alternate ending to the game that was not actually featured in the game
Though Ardyn was born to become the Founder King of Lucis, fate had other plans for him. Blessed with the power to heal those afflicted with the Starscourge, he traveled the world purging the plague from their bodies by absorbing it into his own. Yet when he stood before the Crystal for judgment, it deemed him unworthy of becoming its champion, decrying him as impure of heart. Ardyn was cast into exile, shunned by the people who once adored him and condemned by his own flesh and blood. He now seeks revenge of the Lucian bloodline—in particular, on the "True King" chosen to serve as the Crystal's champion: Noctis Lucis Caelum.
Here’s KHs 1 intro in the pic I posted earlier , where the sunset is featured again. The sunset is featured quite regularly when Kairi and Sora appear in the same place at once. I think this means there is an ambiguous reason for keeping them apart but also it implies they must traverse both the reaches of light and darkness if they wish to be reunited. But it’s bittersweet really.
I think the sunset proceedes the night symbolically and metaphorically. But it’s like another world altogether.
Whoa whoa hang on a moment I totally forgot about this movie I haven’t seen it in many years probably like 8 years.
The sunset is actually featured prominently in this movie though not in the game. Basically it becomes sunset during this huge battle the sun starts to go down and there is this giant cyclone with fire in the middle that spreads fire everywhere, there are Cerberus dogs and red lights from the enemies drop ships everywhere then the land bridge breaks between the two opposing side
Basically I haven’t alluded to this yet but the problem with the night is that you have fire worship, which basically symbolizes Satanic influences, the empire in the game niflheim are basically under control by Satanic forces
This I feel proves my theories are correct
This is why I posted this video before
Basically throughout the video what happens is that Noctis slowly descends into what could be thought of as hell, and the reason why he kills Luna in the dream is because she leads him there but also a sign that is used is because her weapon/object is a trident, and often trident’s are mistaken for Satans pitchfork which is what is done here
Oh man, what is with red? The seeming controversy and outlandish thoughts surrounding it seem so wildly far reaching and contradictory you don’t even know where to begin. How could one color be so questionable? It drives me nuts, what does it mean?
Of course they’re using red for the main color to represent the villains in the new tron ares movie coming out. I kind of feel mixed feelings whenever they use red a lot for the main bad guys.
Of course it’s like, in the movie it will obviously be the villains are bad programs designed to cause havoc and destruction. Bad, rebellious programs causing problems? THEY GOTTA BE RED MAKE EM’ HECKIN RED.
But of course, I have sort of been seeing people like they might as well just be programs lately
Anyway, the surrounding contempt for the color is strange, it’s almost like considered this bad or salacious thing and it’s only a color, but I think it’s probably considered bad quite often. You don’t really see it that often despite being one of the main basic primary colors. It’s like in school for me at least, the teachers used a red pen to mark wrong answers, make corrections or to grade poorly and a blue pen for everything else.
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I’m not entirely sure if this is the case, and it goes deeper then this, but I think this must have been Tolkiens reason why he didn’t think the left could work, even though it’s really democracy. We don’t really have hardly any real democracy. Basically it’s why we can’t work together cooperatively.
But I think the picture he painted with the one ring of power, symbolizes how he viewed relations with others, and Tolkien was considered an INFP, so that’s pretty wild to me, I think it’s his experiences with introverted feeling, “Fi” infps dominant function is Fi.
Frodo Baggins is commonly typed as an INFP too, it’s interesting I’ve had my own theories on introverted feeling and its relation to the surrounding world, I think this must be Tolkien’s own.
I’m not sure it makes as much sense when it’s adapted to a more literal translation, but I think stands, there is no literal “ring” I’m not sure what would stand for its place but nonetheless, what represents introverted feeling, and various experiences, thoughts and feelings and perspectives that go along with it. It surmises to say, Tolkien was inferring that not many people can withstand introverted feeling themselves or bare the burden of it because they would in some way become corrupted and eventually used for evil I suppose.
It’s how people become corrupted by dark forces overall I guess. I use Fi as an example, but I don’t only mean Fi, it’s just that it goes in the way of explaining what I’m trying to say a lot. It’s something along the lines of Fi I think.
I’m not sure what the literal translation of putting on and wearing the ring would be.
It almost states that all power corrupts and leads to evil, I’m not sure if it’s really saying that but, nonetheless it’s hard to tell the difference. One having to do with dark forced which is real, the other not.
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Reminds me of the yiga clan in Zelda
I’m still not exactly sure what red has to do with the villains in FF15
This is a very good trailer youtu.be
It has the song that was covered by Florence and the machine stand by me “if the sky that we look upon should crumble to the sea and the moon is the only light we see” I still think the night is one of the main themes in ffxv
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What are you talking about you’re not funny I’m obviously not DT
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Here you go, fire actually being considered good in the first testament, I’m not really sure what that holds for the general notion of it overall though, just that it’s interesting, but I have thought that the first and New Testament are pretty different
Red is basically this bastardized color I think. I had this book about the history of Satan that was full of pictures it was a special national geographic issue. In the book they went over how the devil used to be commonly depicted as being blue (not just a blue angel like they like to make you believe) and then they mentioned Alexander. Now, Alexander commonly wore lots of red, I think back then when Alexander was alive Greece used the color red more frequently then blue like they are known for.
Anyway I digress I won’t go over what this has to do with Satan.
I think the perception of the color red, after spending lots of time looking at symbolism its used in and other factors. I have come to think the color is a little bastardized. I think it does have a negative common perception of it.
But anyway, for me my knowledge of red having deeper connotations then on surface level is a little complicated. For me I associate red with socialism, Marxism, and the left altogether. I think Marx made a really interesting point associating red with his theories and the left in general. It gives you the idea that the way red is commonly thought of and used is not at all like what it’s originally intended to mean. I think, generally you are left with the perception that red is negative but I think with what red has been made out to be, there is a fondness for how the color is perceived but yet not at all with how it was originally intended to represent, instead the bastardized Western version of it. I don’t know what to call the bastardized version of it, because the strain of thought proceeding it is real and it originates from somewhere. It’s basically like propaganda. The establishment, the powers that be, basically.
But think it basically originates from the idea that past civilizations and societies were inherently flawed due to not being in fact Christian.
I think the ‘bastardized’ version of red that appears throughout the media and the perception of it being negative in our society stems from Christianity. It’s believed that red is bad partially because it predates and symbolizes cultures and societies that predate Christianity.
Christianity has come to represent a real fundamental change in society. From reading various topics, including Christianity and history I have come to believe it has a lot to do with Jesus and how he was sacrificed. Basically there was a lot more sacrifices that were committed before Christ in prior civilizations, it was actually pretty common all throughout the world and was a real problem. But I think the idea is that it went beyond really obvious sacrificial offerings but was a facet of the workings of regular society.
I forgot to mention, it’s also a central tenant in the story of Abraham when he almost sacrificed his son, it’s basically
the same thing and follows from there.
The basic idea is that it’s represented in a way that the idea of lambs are used to signify its basic ideas. To make it simple, lambs symbolize innocence but here “Sacrificial Symbolism:
The lamb, a symbol of innocence and sacrifice, is linked to the Passover lamb of the Old Testament, whose blood was smeared on doorposts to protect Israelites from the plague of death” they are also supposed to represent other things like the term “lamb of God” is used, it’s supposed to mean that a person is particularly good I think, I think innocence is the main idea, but just in general “good” possessing certain traits and personalities, these types of people were more often then not sacrificed, Jesus is a pretty good example as well, he possessed certain traits and beliefs that led to him blindly being sacrificed.
I guess the idea is that a sacrifice can happen to almost anyone at anytime, and the idea was to to stop “sacrifices” from happening in your country
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D’oh silly me they probably use red for the imperial forces in FF15 because they’re basically invading/conquering, overthrowing your kingdom so of course they used red. That’s definitely one basic tenant
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Yes he lives in a barn
This is also rich with symbolism, though not necessarily good. I think this motif is often used pretty negatively in the Western media, it’s another hidden cryptic thing I’ve taken it on to decipher.
I think basically these are various colored circuits on his suit which are connected and powered by the crystal in his chest. The suit is basically from outer space so even though it’s futuristic, it means more then that due to where it comes from, outer space is even further ahead of the future, it’s like the very far of future but it has different connotations.
I’m not entirely sure what it means I only get the gist of it but very similar metaphors have appeared in the media.
Basically I think the suit sort of symbolizes this predefined biological nature, or like a giant system that he’s a part of, hooked up and connected to that is supposed to (the suit; his portion of it) represents his segment of the connection and it symbolizes his own hardwiring; but it’s sort of predestined aspect of his psyche that might not be totally true for himself. It’s basically programming he can choose to follow but the question is if it’s his inherent nature.
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Anyway, I think I was basically a sacrificial lamb.
As a child I was pretty innocent, yet I was often made to wear all sorts of red clothes, whilst the adults around me never wore red, in fact nobody around me ever did. I remember in elementary school the class protect was to make paper Mâche masks and then color them. I was upset because I had no idea what motif or pattern and design to come up with I couldn’t think of anything and had no basic blue print or outline to start with
While all other kids were able to come up with complex designs. One of the kids came up to my and said my mask should be red and black so I actually listened and painted my mask red and black.
When I was a child I was given red bicycles and basically older kids would try to chase me around and literally try to kill me.
I was basically marked and labeled from a young age, why red of all things? It was just really weird.
That was Canada basically saying that I deserved it from a very early age and marking me, labeling me that seems to be when I was marked as different when It started
“Red color as a combat or revolt symbol in Europe goes back to the turn of the second millennium and before. In the Middle Ages, ships in combat flew long red streamers called baucans or bauccedillian to signify a fight with no quarter.[1]”
I think that’s basically what red being used by the establishment basically means, it’s basically like saying “revolt” or I think, I was looking at the red lights outside the back of my apartment they’re really noticeable I don’t think I see signs used like that very often but it’s probably a Chinese owned building so I think that’s likely the reason.
The lights only really work when it’s dark out, and I think that’s the given intent, they’re only supposed to mean something at night predominately. I think it means like “alert” “caution” but it’s also some manner of revolt, but it’s not really in a good way like often times it’s not condoning that. It’s used often times to signify sensuality, but in a really overtly sexual manner. I don’t think sensuality is actually synonymous with sensuality, but also often times you see in the main stream media like there’s hardly any romance just full on sensuality, but more often I think of eyes wide shut with like this secret sexual cult kind of thing.
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Color is hard - It's quite context-dependent.
Ancient Egyptians thought red was bad (red earth doesn't grow anything)
Ancient China associated red with good fortune
Numbers can be the same way - very context-dependent
there is no literal “ring” I’m not sure what would stand for its place
Tolkein had a distaste for direct allegory. The one ring plays several roles throughout the work
I’m not sure what the literal translation of putting on and wearing the ring would be.
Transgression, for one.
fire actually being considered good in the first testament
Fire and water are two of the most difficult to begin to understand because they exist by their nature in constant tension
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