Living amongst people who simply have no ambition, passion, and dont care about anything. you know what i mean...

hope that maybe there is a relief from all the toil,

I was presented with an opportunity that made it so I don't have to work anymore to support myself.

Now, at first I was happy. Now I can finally do the things I really want to do. If it only was so easy. It turns out that I didn't know what the fuck I want to do anyway. I try though, but the more carefully I examine this situation, the more I realize that most things are simply a distraction, a distraction from this feeling that you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing, that things seem so meaningless.

It did give me a moment of clarity though, and now I am only interested in finding the thing that is ultimately not a distraction, but something real.

> i guess because someone has to do it. if everyone "not my problem'd" there way through life, it would be even worse than it already is.

Depending on what your job is, this might be true. Not working and being depressed because of abundance is not really possible without a functioning toilet in your house.

that's very interesting. so what do you think that real thing is the thing that isn't a distraction? as far as judging yourself based on your job i have to disagree, since humans impose false hierarchy (society = artificial selection) status within society shouldn't govern worth, therefore whatever you do should be done to its maximum, you should always go for an s rank, to use a video game analogy.

If you want to feel Accomplishment, just open a few RNG packs in an EA game.

for me, my goals are long term, they are big. one of them is a 1.5 year goal, the other is around 3-4 years. the accomplishment i do feel with all the mini accomplishments i make along the way, but there are two major things i have been working on and i know the feeling when i accomplish them will be great but it will just mean i am going to find the next thing to work on

I used to be like you, now I'm 35 and don't give a fuck. Life hits in a certain way sometimes that leaves you apathetic. I'm like one of the slow aimless people you mention after decades of being like you. I think around 30 is when I changed

since humans impose false hierarchy (society = artificial selection) status within society shouldn't govern worth,

We do agree on that though, I might have expressed myself poorly there.

so what do you think that real thing is the thing that isn't a distraction?

Honestly, I have no idea.

Juden Peterstein has the idea that if you are a low status lobster, that's bad, we know it's bad because of how low status in lobsters changes their physiology. You should therefore strive to be the best you can be, in multiple hierarchies in your society. That's one way to look at it I guess.

I am probably misunderstanding his position, but as much as he likes to use Christianity, he kind of sounds like Nietzsche when he talks about the lobsters. I have no idea how he marries these two in his head, literally joining the Anti-christ with Christ. Anyway, for some time I thought that it might be the way to do. Do eat well, do strive to get better, make more money, make good decisions etc. But all of this relies on the standard set by your society. It seems that both of us agree that status within a society shouldn't govern worth, so I've ultimately found the Peterstein position shallow.

Well I guess that one thing from him that I find good is "maybe if you did the things you know you should be doing, your life wouldn't suck so much"

I've been thinking that reason doesn't govern action. You might be different form me, but I have a very hard time following through with the decisions I seem "correct". I know how I should be eating, working out, earning money, pursuing romantic relationships, but I can't actually do it most of the time, I just don't do it.

Okay, now, how do I do the things I know I should be doing?

I've literally tried everything, every single self-improvement technique, diet, discipline shit etc.

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To get yourself to do the things you know you should be doing you probably need a more fundamental thing that can work on your unconscious, whether that's some form of psychoanalytical therapy, god, or whatever else. I don't know.

But all of that presupposes that you even want to do the things that you deem good. I have no doubt that eating well and exercising will make my life better. But, I think that at the end, even if you can do all of that perfectly, you will realize that it was all, more or less, a distraction.

So, the only thing I can think of right now is to make my mind better. Study, and get good at the intellectual tradition of the west, learn how to think properly, and hopefully it will lead somewhere other than nihilism.

damn ops posts are so gay i thought he was a girl i didnt read a word of what the polish person said btw

from a pragmatic standpoint, that argument about dominance hierarchies is correct. why would i want to live as the loser getting shit on and dealing with cortisol floods of being the loser in every exchange? (every social exchange in this theory would be an exchange of value within the hierarchy, and the one who perceives themselves to have or actually has lower status would have the physiological consequences and vice versa);

i can see how you critique this because obviously the status within society is contrived by artificial values, not necessarily one's which respect your individual value (maybe part of the problem is thinking of the self as a special individual);

as far as marriage of christ vs anti christ, thats interesting but christ himself says to be gentle as doves but wise as serpents in the context of the parable of the shrewd manager, who basically leveraged business relations and his position for personal profit and favour so the christ model may be more malleable than it appears at first glance from a theoretical stand point.

as far as follow through, i allow myself to "make mistakes or compromises," but i noticed as i increase my self care, my tolerance for things which hurt me, toxic people toxic food, goes down. like i cant even tolerate certain environments anymore and wont even touch certain food but i allow myself to drink some alcohol and eat some "junk" like ice cream.

for me, i never invested in myself, neglected eating exercising working hygeine for years and years and years. it wasnt until the last ten years or so my thinking started to unfuck, and it has been a very slow process. it wasnt until the last few months that i really started to command my life and my energy and really start to see massive abundance in my life. the thing that triggered the change was one day at work at my shitty wagie job, i just realized, i am going to be doing this shitty work anyways, maybe i should be the best fucking wagie i can. why should i have a poor attitude about it? maybe this is actually a good thing. lol.

everything changed after that. suddenly now there was a voice in my head, whenever something "bad" happened, i would challenge the narrative in my mind and twist it into something good lol. oh my coworker is being lazy. this is actually good because i can learn to deal with my resentment and pull the dept on my back without his full support. lol now fast forward several months later, and i have become an unstoppable force.

what keeps me going is this idea of purpose, that i am part of some greater force, the foil to the slave system the spark that ignites others, and so i feel propelled by that, to keep moving when i dont feel like it, because someone somewhere i never met, needs me to be strong, so they can have permission to be strong too

how would you know that if you didn't read it lol

what keeps me going is this idea of purpose

That paragraph is more useful than anything I could come up with.

I am better for the Peterstein stuff, I think, in general, I don't think that it's ever good to be a loser, and not being one will only make everything else better. I do worry though that at the end of the ride I'll still feel like I am distracting myself.

it wasnt until the last ten years or so my thinking started to unfuck

Do you think that this process just initiated by itself the further you went down the undesirable path? It feels like I've been working on this shit for so long and I seem to be getting nowhere. I'd like to know what triggered you to unfuck yourself.

well, if i wanted to be super technical, i would have to say it was a complex process which started in my childhood, but there were several specific moments, like i remember in my twenties i was drunk and knew i needed help, so i asked to be sent back to rehab. i went with intentionality. a one year christian rehab. i went with the idea of self mastery. that i would learn to unfuck myself. i remember during our 60 min daily chores. i was sweeping a sidewalk that was already clean. i decided, fuck it, ill keep sweeping. this will be part of me learning discipline. and thats what i did every day. i developed my discipline with little things. i didnt change overnight, but that became a cornerstone. i do believe in God and i believe i would not be here if it was not for His grace and favor. but as far as my individual process, it started with a desire to unfuck myself and master myself, and using whatever was in front of me to do it, no matter how i felt about it. there have been lots of ups and downs and it is a process not an arriving, i think, but i can see how much progress i have made, how i have eliminated so much self imposed suffering by going inside and pulling out the weeds so to speak. i still struggle. for example i have a woman i have an unhealthy relationship with and i have a hard time setting boundaries with her because i have such strong feelings for her, so i compromise myself a bit just to be around her, but even that is fading as i rise, like yesterday i only tolerated her for a short period and then cut it short, so i think this is a process for sure

i decided, fuck it, ill keep sweeping. this will be part of me learning discipline

i developed my discipline with little things.

Maybe the only thing we can do is pray, read the bible, push ourselves, and hope that everything will turn out okay.

Over-complicating probably doesn't help much. I'm happy you're getting better.

i dont know, this might just be an elaborate form of coping for me, maybe because the truth hurts too much so i cope maybe i am just superfluous matter and i tell myself some elaborate cope story

We all cope, I think. You seem to be honest with yourself, and working on getting better. What you write doesn't look like a cope.

faggot is scared of being in public too long and likes arguing

Autism

99% of the time, people look like NPCs but that's just the surface level. I dare you to start an online podcast where you start interviewing these seemingly NPC folk and see if you don't learn a thing or two about the world, life, and how to live!

thanks i appreciate that, and i appreciate you sharing i hope you find that spark inside again

not an argument; also false categorization based on very limited information, in short, no value in this post

i completely agree with you, however, dont you agree that there are people who amble about without any kind of direction or purpose? im not saying there is not necessarily wisdom in their approach, but when you are trying to use your time wisely and others squander there own it can be a bit jarring some people have no value on their time they just waste it and that is kind of pathetic

You're a pretentious faggot op

Oh people are wasting their time because they don't drive fast

You're on a fucking mongolian basket weaving forum arguing about how people are wasting their time while you sit here shitting all over the place like a retard.

Zero self awareness. Low IQ. Narcissistic personality disorder.

people do in fact waste their time

pointing this out makes you a narcissist

you are shitting all over... because YOU JUST ARE OKAY!

lol fuck off faggot

You don't even understand the point I'm making. Because you are low IQ. The vast, vast VAST majority of people would consider what you are doing right now to be inherently meaningless and a huge waste of time. You are ambling about without purpose.

Retard. Absolute retard.

Again, zero self awareness. Just shut the fuck up faggot.

but i am not wasting time, this is how i choose to spend my leisure time, other people actually do not have goals or places to go or things they want to do

I'm just mad that I don't get to sit around and be paid to do nothing like everyone else in this fuckstick nigger retard pretend meme "country." What is so hard to understand about that? Yes it is jealousy, I am jealous of lazy nigger retards.

Everyone else is wasting their time when they aren't being actively productive but me

There is that narcissism I was talking about. Let's take your driving example. Maybe they enjoy driving. Maybe that's their leisure. By your logic it's no more wrong than shitposting and acting like a retard. It's not though. The guy driving has more of an argument by your own logic. Maybe they don't want a ticket. There is potential productivity to driving. What you are doing right now is posting nonsense and losing an argument. There is nothing to gain from it. You are wasting your leisure time like an npc bro! So pretentious.

they actually are not the same, because in the driving example, (just an example of a broader picture im trying to paint, which you see unable to grasp) their actions or lack thereof are actually negatively affecting the other people around them. their aimlessness negatively affects other people in the pursuit of their goals. me posting on this board does not affect other people except in that they choose to engage with me. there is no "losing" an argument, because you never brought anything meaningful to the exchange, thus i have no skin in the game to "win or lose"

How the fuck do you gather all that by seeing someone for a fraction of a moment doing something like driving or talking to someone? Oh, they're talking to an employee at a store. Must mean they have no life and no goals or dreams they are working towards.

There is an old pajeet who works at the gas station by my house. His family owns like 6 car dealerships. You don't know shit.

Well the world doesn't revolve around you dumb fuck. You are negatively impacting other people by driving like an ornery retard because you can't be bothered to leave on time to get somewhere. You're putting other drivers at risk. You are putting pedestrians at risk. You are the one who is inherently causing more harm because you are unwilling to make a reasonable adjustment like fucking leaving on time to make it somewhere lmao. Grow the fuck up buddy. The world doesn't give a shit if you're late for your rub and tug. You're just a narcissistic retard. Why should anyone give a fuck about where you have to go?

again, these are just examples. when a person is aimless, he has a constellation of behaviors manifested. driving without consideration for others is one of those things. impeding others unnecessarily is one of those things. i have noticed these types actual revel in their ability to interrupt another, it's not just about being oblivious, for some it's actual planned out to drain the other's energy or create some kind of drama. instead of having meaningful things to work on, they externalize and attack those around them, rather than harmonize with them.

Someone made my drive take 3 minutes longer!!!!

You're a child

your mentality is exactly the problem. i am forced to accommodate other's lack of ambition but you can sit here and hurl accusations at me for being a narcissist. lol. no the aimless should learn to respect those who have somewhere to be and are trying to achieve something with their limited time. i dont respect people with no thought or ambition aimlessly doing nothing all day and pretending like im the defective one lol. wasted potential is far worse than someone who pushes their own limits and makes people who gave up feel threatened. lol like you clearly are

SOMEONE IS TRYING TO NOT WASTE THEIR TIME

lol, sluggard

Well I have seen a constellation of your behaviours indicating you are indeed a childish retard who can't handle the real world and is heavily triggered by something as banal as driving.

So how does talking to a shopkeeper harm and impede everyone around you?

You are wasting your time right now retard. Absolutely zero self awareness. Where is your off switch?

how am i wasting my time?

handle the real world

you mean, showing up every day despite the fact im surrounded by aimless sluggards? yeah i do it every single day

HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT IT THIS MEANS YOU ARE HEAVILY TRIGGERED AND CANT HANDLE REAL WORLD

lol

Are you serious right now? So we're back full circle to it being entirely about wasting ones time being unproductive. But it's okay when you do it because it's how you choose to spend your leisure time. But if someone chooses to spend their time speaking to a member of their community in real life it is an inherent waste of time.

Retard logic everyone.

Low IQ. Narcissistic. Zero self awareness.

the person who has no ambitions does a number of behaviors, these behaviors can be summarized as time-wasting. you know it, i know it, what you are doing is semantics. it's not impressive. anyone can go outside and immediately find an example of what i am describing. sluggards. wastes of human potential. everywhere

You are heavily triggered. You have admitted as such. Somebody driving slower than you is enough to set you off lmao. You are VERY sensitive.
You're losing this argument to me, a meaningless one, no real world ramifications. Meanwhile someone chatting with their mechanic is apparently a sin and total wastefulness of ones potential. Shitposting online is on tho.

Dude just give up. You've contradicted yourself like 30 times. You're just operating reactively and emotionally. There is no logic here.

So here is one of those behaviors

Sitting around arguing on an image board. Therefore I gather based on your system, where observing a single behavior from someone can tell you their status and ambition in life, that you are a talentless unproductive retard.

This is your logic speaking.

and are you going to claim you never get triggered? lol, nobody said i wasnt triggered. i show up in spite of constant triggering. i have utterly eviscerated every "argument" you have made. i even gave you the good faith to entertain your argument

well your assesment would be wrong in this case, which does not make my metricks wrong, it just means you are not applying them correctly because you are not considering the big picture, again, you are basically using reductionism and a form of semantic arguing, its not interesting

I am considering the big picture in its entirety. The one where you see networking and being friendly to people in your community, ones you interact with regularly is somehow a waste of time but shitposting on Anon Babble isn't.

I'm not trying to be interesting and i am not being semantical. I am applying logic.

reductionism, one element of my argument, missing the big picture, notice how you never addressed the root, which is lazy people with no ambition and a society full of them, you grasped onto the semantics. im telling you its not interesting because you seem to view yourself as some wealth of knowledge and a fount of wisdom, and really you are not even interesting or entertaining

Okay well here's an example for you. I often chatted with my mechanic back when he worked at this smaller shop that was bought out. I'd chat with him while he worked for 10 minutes or whatever. I sold one of my vehicles to him after bringing it up in one conversation. From there I had his cell number. We became acquaintances through that interaction. He extended the offer to do the mechanical work from his home garage, for considerably cheaper. Through those repeated interactions we became friends. I have saved thousands and thousands of dollars, and even profited off of vehicles I have sold to him. So what you see as a total waste of time, had a practical impact on my life.

What does your shitposting accomplish?

are you a bot?

Anyways you haven't refuted any of my arguments would you care to address them? How is chatting with a mechanic a waste of time if someone enjoys it and can benefit practically, but posting on Anon Babble arguing about the merits of wasting time, and wasting your time by the very virtue of that argument is not?

sluggard detected